Since 2001, PokerStars has been among the most prominent online poker brands. The company was one of the driving factors in the meteoric success of its young industry, and always offered strong security measures and customer support.
PokerStars had a strong reputation ten years ago, but that all began to change in late 2006 when the U.S. passed the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. This act made it illegal for PokerStars to accept US players and illegal for US banks to process payments related to online poker.
The biggest online poker site in the world at the time, PartyPoker, immediately accepted and followed this new US law, and left the USA market. PokerStars, however, disregarded the US government and continued to operate in the US. We feel this choice started PokerStars down a road of shadiness which leads us to our opinion today – that PokerStars is a scam.
PokerStars realized it was breaking US law by continuing to accept US players and eventually abandoned the US market. The company lost a lot of money and a significant portion of its customer base.
PokerStars has been in business for over 15 years. Although the company started as a play-money service only, the focus has been on real-money poker for more than a decade. After neglecting the USA UIEGEA law of 2006, the company reached a settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice in 2012. This settlement allowed PokerStars to return to the U.S. – in Nevada and New Jersey – which had legalized online gambling.
On April 15, 2011, the Department of Justice seized the pokerstars.com domain name, along with fulltiltpoker.com and several others. On April 20, the pokerstars.com and fulltiltpoker.com domain names were returned for the purpose of helping to facilitate the withdrawal of US players’ funds.
PokerStars was forced to leave the US market at this time.
Prior to the seizure, PokerStars could not legally provide service to U.S. residents, but they continued to for a time because it was profitable and because that law was difficult to enforce with them operating entirely outside the United States. The company is located in the Isle of Man and acquired a European Union gambling license through Malta.
Is PokerStars Rigged?
The most concerning question about PokerStars is whether the service is rigged. Admittedly, there is some compelling video evidence on YouTube of sponsored PokerStars players beating the odds on multiple occasions during a number of big events. PokerStars spends a lot of money on its sponsorships, and it behooves the brand to have these professional players be successful. The nature of online play, however, is that it is more difficult for a pro player to be consistently successful. Therefore, PokerStars has motivation, and the company has chosen to ignore rather than dispute the video evidence.
Keep in mind that PokerStars has no incentive to rig poker games outside of sponsored play. The revenues that PokerStars earns is based on the total pot no matter who wins it. In addition, VIP rewards are earned based on the amount staked not the amount won or lost. For that reason, it is very difficult to believe that PokerStars would rig games on a regular basis, and there is no concrete proof to suggest that PokerStars has done so.
In the end, there are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding rigged games and rigged decks, but overall it’s difficult to believe that PokerStars would actually fix the deck or the dealing of cards… but you never know.
Data Analysis and Breach of Privacy
It is worth noting that there were at least two independent analyses of the PokerStars dealer mechanism that presented data outside the norm. For some, this data was evidence that PokerStars was rigging standard games or at least that the dealer mechanism was not random.
PokerStars did react to this story by providing these studies with more comprehensive data sets to work with. In doing so, PokerStars breached the privacy contract with its players. Although user names were stripped, hand logs are publicly available, and it is possible to associate individual players with the released data.
Does PokerStars Cheat Players?
A much bigger concern of whether PokerStars games are rigged is whether the company is actually cheating players out of winnings. A quick search online will reveal a sharp increase in the last several years of players making complaints about having their accounts seized, bankrolls reduced when making a withdrawal, withdrawals refused, bonuses voided for no reason and so forth.
PokerStars turns a profit on every real-money player no matter how much he or she wins. Nevertheless, there is incentive to be even more profitable in a highly competitive market, and PokerStars would not be the first online gambling service to increase profits by exploiting consumers.
PokerStars does not want money leaving the system, so players that earn profits and routinely withdraw cash from the site are not good for the site.
In fact, PokerStars purchased Full Tilt Poker and continues to manage and operate this brand – a brand that is synonymous with the term ponzi scheme. Full Tilt Poker had rampant cheating going – and this is a fact. Directors of the company took money directly from players’ accounts and purchased homes, cars, jewelry, and more.
To this day, countless players and business partners are owed money from Full Tilt. PokerStars did not fully satisfy these commitments even though they now own and are responsible for the Full Tilt brand.
Better Business Bureau
Another point of concern for poker players considering PokerStars is that the company has never received accreditation from the Better Business Bureau. This was true prior to the UIGEA, and it is true even now in the states where the brand has a legal presence.
The BBB does track international companies, however, and although it has not accredited or rated PokerStars, it does have a file for the company in nearly every state. There are a significant number of complaints on file, and we urge everyone to check with their local BBB to consider local experiences with the PokerStars brand.
Is PokerStars Trustworthy?
The most egregious act destroying any remaining goodwill PokerStars may have had came very recently. On May 1, 2015, PokerStars sent an email to its online marketing partners drastically changing the terms of their agreements, causing significant damage to all of their Internet partners for their own benefit.
Marketing partners of PokerStars had an agreement – that they would receive a certain percentage of the revenues that PokerStars earned off players referred by that partner. And that revenue share plan would persist for the life of the player.
On May 1, 2015, PokerStars unilaterally changed the terms to only compensate their marketing partners for only two years.
AND POKERSTARS MADE THIS RULING RETROACTIVE.
What this means is that marketing partners that have been supporting and promoting PokerStars for years and years will lose all revenues from those players. They will only get compensated for players from the past 2 years. For partners that have been sending PokerStars traffic for over a decade, built up a sizable database of players, and developed those players, will lose 90-95% of their marketing revenues.
Basically, this is a breach of contract and PokerStars is more than willing to completely screw their partners.
You can read the full email below:
Email from PokerStars
If PokerStars is willing to do this to their business partners, then what are they willing to do to their players?
If you win a big tournament, what prevents PokerStars from immediately changing their terms to not pay you out?! NOTHING.
We believe that all of these poor decisions stemmed from the fact that PokerStars decided to break US law by continuing to offer their services to Americans.
Because PokerStars broke US law, they had to pay huge fines to the US Department of Justice. PokerStars paid $731 million to the US government to settle the charges of bank fraud and evading US restrictions on online poker.
PokerStars was guilty – and when online poker became legalized in New Jersey, Nevada, and Delaware, with the potential of California coming next, some laws had a bad actor clause – which disallowed PokerStars from entering the market since they were illegally operating in the US previously.
Amaya Only Cares About Its Bottom Line
Associating with the owners – the Scheinbergs – prevented PokerStars from entering US markets, which eventually led to the sale of PokerStars to Amaya. And this new change of ownership has led to the issues we see today. Amaya does not care about the players or the business partners of PokerStars.
Amaya added a 2.5% foreign currency transaction fee when depositing or withdrawing funds into PokerStars. And it did this WITHOUT NOTIFYING ANY OF ITS PLAYERS. This was just an added tax to increase Amaya’s bottom line.
Amaya increased the rake at PokerStars in late 2014! Rakes were increased on cash games, mtt’s, sit-n-go’s… basically everywhere. Again, this is another tax added to increase Amaya’s bottom line at the expense of the customer base.
And the final straw is Amaya’s destruction of it’s partnership agreements – changing their compensation from the life of the player to two years is utterly devastating to their list of long-established and trusted marketing partners.
If you do business on the Internet or play online poker, you simply can’t trust Amaya. Sorry, but we have to call it. PokerStars is a scam.
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For US players, it’s a little more difficult, you have much less options. However, the biggest brand in online poker in the USA is Bovada Poker. We believe that Bovada Poker is legit. There are issues that you need to be aware of – such as the fees associated with depositing/withdrawing, the time frames and limitations of processing a withdrawal, etc. But considering the options for Americans, it’s about as good as you can get. Here’s a decent Bovada Poker review worth checking out if you’re interested. And a review of the Bovada Mobile Sports features here.
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PokerStars are most definitely fitting up their customers .. this is the one reason and the only reason you need to know .... they refuse to be independently audited !!! Simple !! If they were legit .. they would bend over backwards to assure their customers and future customers of the legitimacy of their site . An unregulated and nonaudited gambling site .. wake up !! .. I could rant about the bad beats , refusals of cash outs etc etc etc .. but the above says all that is needed to say . They should all be banged away especially the celebrities that take money off these parasites to endorse them . Wake up people !! one way or another they are stitching you up !!
regarding the guys (the team) who says all the site is just one person
and is surprised they havnt been sued yet!
you should be sued for your stupidity.
and your criminal intentions.
and one day divine justice will cach up with you
in one way or another.
on any site talking about pokerstars
there is allways a group of people trying
to ridicul who ever says scam or rigged,
and allways with the same arguments, that they are
superior winning players and the others are not
they try to make you feel is your folt, for all the aggro
players must go through.
obviously is a public relations team payd by amaya corporation,
just like when they buy advertisement, or pay the tecnicians to inprove and find better ways to scam the players.
they are not doing a good job as more and more people
will not chose to ignore the evidence any more.
and soon the all castle will come crumbling down.
you can fool some people some time
but you cant fool all the people all the times.
POKERSTARS IS 100% LEGIT. 90% of poker players lose, 5% break even, 5% win. I have been on ps 5 years and never had a losing month. I have cashed out over 750k in 5 years and i still consistently win. Poker is more than winning with the best hand or fading a 3 outer. you need to do more studying and less b*tching. gl u 90%ers
In response to Wizzadd: By written in the same style, do you mean in English?? Ludicrous to suggest the reviews are all written by the same author. The styles are quite clearly different and surely you can recognise that it's not beyond the realm of possibility that more than one user has suffered bad experiences on the site. Granted, perhaps there's some confirmation bias as it's more likely that someone reading this site will have been looking for confirmation of rigging in the first place but to allege it's all written by one author is just dumb. Plus, your comment got published, so if it was all controlled by one person then you would be that person which doesn't really make sense now does it..
Also as far as I can see the article merely presents facts and interprets them, hardly a suable offence! It expresses opinions and opens the floor to debate, which it is allowed and protected to do so by law. It doesn't make any unfounded allegations so there's nothing it can be sued for.
Finally, as someone who's also repeatedly suffered at the hands of PS, I was intrigued to read from another site's comment's section the following, and I quote 'that Imperial College London had analysed over a 100 million hands from various online poker operators and noticed the same predictable patterns of manipulating hands to maximise the rake returns of the provider.' I've no way of proving this and I'm not alleging it's true Wizzadd, (God forbid or else I could be sued couldn't I!) but it's interesting to see all the same.
All the previous "reviews" are written in the same style, and obviously written by the same author - probably whoever opened this site. This site is obviously just someone with a beef against PokerStars, and in no way is truthful. I'm surprised they havnt been sued yet!
I've found the comments here fascinating. I've always strongly suspected card rigging from my years of appalling bad beat experience on the site, but I kept coming back for more (almost masochistically), trying to convince myself that PS wouldn't risk being shut down when it can generate significant revenue without cheating. But when greed is a factor (and just look at the checkered history of some of its key owners/managers), added to the fact that the site wants to maximise bottom line, AND it can use whatever tools it wants to do so without being scrutinised by any regulatory body (think FIFA for instance), you have a motive and a means.. Combine that with the huge catalogue of anecdotal evidence / user complaints and the rigged theory starts to look a lot more compelling.
My experience with the site echoes so many of the comments here. I've always been surprised by the number of action hands for instance and how bad beats tend to accelerate on the bubble in tourneys (particularly for shorter stacked players). Clearly, this is supportive of encouraging greater sized bets to maximise rake and speeding up tourneys for the same reason.
I've also always noticed that after a withdrawal, my run of bad hands skyrockets, to the point that it can no longer be coincidence (we're very much past the sigma events of improbability). Perhaps the site believes that it can subconsciously condition players to keep money in the site by punishing those who take money out. Looking at how they've behaved in the past (i.e. with the online marketing partners), we can't put anything past these guys.
I've personally lost thousands of dollars on the site but thanks to this page, I've finally woken up and smelt the coffee. I'll be terminating my account and sticking to live card games that I know and trust, and hoping that one day justice will be served against these criminals.
Amaya CEO David Baazov Faces Five Charges of Insider Trading,
Quebec's securities regulator, the Autorité des Marchés Financiers (AMF),
have filed five insider trading charges against David Baazov, CEO of Amaya Inc.,
the company that owns online poker sites PokerStars and Full Tilt.
The charges stem from an investigation launched following the acquisition of PokerStars and Full Tilt
by Amaya in a mega $4.9 billion deal.
and do you really think someone like that,in charge of a company worth BILLIONS,
cares more about the players or poker in general
than his share holders ?
do you really ?
i dont think so
im even surprised that you people are surprised.
is just natural in this world of ours to put money first.
you would do exactly the same if not worse.
and we are still here questioning if or if not ????
we are idiots arent we ?
i mean even the rats in the holes know by now, and we are still discussing the matter.
the thing is we are addicted to the game like drugs addiction, smoking sigarettes, alcool and so on
and so we try to find a logical reason for our actions.
in order to feed our addiction
and they know it, so they are not worryed about it we are faithfull customers no matter what.
everybody knows that sigarettes in the long run will kill the smoker
but they still smoke.
well, the sooner we realise this the sooner we get our lifes back.
peace and prosper
I have been waiting an absurd amount of time for a cash out from these fucking goofs. They allow you to transfer money to another player. I transferred money to my roommate and now they're asking me how I know him, whats our relationship and havent answered my emails in weeks and will not release the funds. They're a fucking joke.
I am in the UK.Used poker stars for the first time. Received no deposit bonus. Sent three messages asking where it was. No response. Finally, sent a third one saying I would ask my credit card company to refund my money if they did not reply. I was IMMEDIATELY frozen out of my account. They got the messages but clearly chose to ignore honouring the bonus and chose to ignore responding to my messages. They froze me out and I cannot use the Beat the Clock bonuses I am entitled to even though they have not refunded me my money, so technically, I am still entitled until they do so. And for the record, the Beat the Clock is rubbish. You can never play as it is always full. I requested info about this too and was again ignored.
Their games are absolutely rigged. Without a doubt. I had the worst hands all the time. ALL THE TIME! Could barely win a hand. They are using bots and fake players to make sure you don't win.
I am contacting my credit card company to charge back to Poker Stars for fraud and am reporting them to the ombudsman.
VERY DODGY DISHONEST COMPANY. DO NOT PLAY THERE!
Hi Guys, as a Gold Star in PokerStars, perhaps my opinion may have some value. I have been a regular player for the past 5 years, I have finsihed second place in the Saturday Scuffle, and made it to the final table in many Medium/High Bounty Builder tournaments. I am quite familiar with the software...or hardware as they call it. However, never finished a tournament in first place..
I play Hyper SNG's & Tourney’s. Never was much of a Cash player. One thing I notice, is the smaller stack almost always, always wins in a show down, against the odds, on the turn or the river. Many times I will call all in on a high pocket pair,( ie JJ or QQ) and i will get called with a 6-7 or 9-10 off suit. (You know, put serious pressure on the small stack to beat him out) Next thing I know, they flop absolutely nothing, then the turn doubles their outs and boom a straight on the river. This scenario is very similar to what Mike G says below about Spin and Go's. I find I almost always get beat by the smaller stack there too. What has me in question, is in Poker Stars terms and conditions it states all players will play in a 'Fair' environment. (Don’t know the exact section, but its there if you want to look) This is a 'flag' for me. As an example, Does it seem like a fair environment if everyone just goes all in as in shootout satellites? This is what makes me wonder if their algorithms will pick out 'bullies' and deal em a bad beat. Another reason I am lead to 'look' this way is also due to a you tube interview with Poker Stars head of communications. He said that there is 'hardware' to randomly generate numbers and there is also USER INPUT that can affect the shuffle. So if I have this clear, a players previous call, raise or fold will affect the random number generator. This kind of backs up my theory about dealing 'bullies' bad beats.
Overall, I have won a lot of money, but I have also lost a lot of money. I feel that my playing experience gives me an edge against new comers because I have a ‘database’ of my own that helps me determine the ‘poker stars odds’ instead of the real odds of winning a pot. The main thing I’ve noticed with No Limit, is it only takes 1 hand to lose the stack of 1000 hands.
This is more a response to the comments claiming hand-rigging than to the review itself, which accepts that it is highly unlikely.
In addition to the regulation, it is worth noting that that a large group of online professionals pool their hand histories and subject them to sophisticated statistical analysis. For the big-brand, regulated sites they have found nothing of concern and have concluded that the dealing is clean. A large number of serious professionals play PokerStars -they wouldn't do this if they thought it was rigged.
Amaya's business practices are another matter, and the issues raised in the review seem legitimate cause for concern.
But the evidence is strong that the dealing is clean.
I have been trying to convince myself to DELETE Pokerstars.. I can not believe how many bad beats I have gotten in ONE night. The Spin and Go Tournaments were the last straw. If you are not familiar with the format you can buy in for up to 25 dollars and you play 3 handed for a random pot....the most I've played for was 150 to the winner. I have played 10-15 in a couple of hour span and received against all odd beats. Runner runner quads against flopped sets in a HEAD TO HEAD match? Aces versus a pair of 2's heads up and they flop quads...its insane. Hands I've never seen live. Theres one particular screen name thats come from behind in like 5 different Spin and Go's where he has 30 bucks left and I have over 1200 and he comes back with bad beat after bad beat or KKs vs AA's in a heads up match...it is so God Damn frustrating. I've lost over 300 in the past 3 days. I decided to search for some complaints and found this article which has now convinced me to DELETE Pokerstars. The only thing I would like to correct in this article is the fact that Pokerstars does have incentive to end the tournaments quickly because they know we will sign right back up for another one. They make a buy in fee and in the Spin and Go's they sometimes make 25 dollars which if you add that up is a lot of money. If they crank out 50 Spin and Go's in an hour thats 1250 to the house AND if that certain screen name is actually a Pokerstars BOT/Employee they are making a killing just in the Spin and Go's. Its discouraging but I think its time to wrap up my online experience and go back to the Live Poker rooms.
I am the same way. I play through Fultilt poker and have played pokerstars in the past. There are so many bad beats on both sites. I really feel we are playing against someone who not only controls the cards but can also see all players cards. My theory is there are players who are Full tilt poker employees that play under aliases on the table. What does pokerstars have to gain? The employee on table puts the money into the pokerstars account. We have no way to prove it. I have pushed in with a pair of aces and have been beat with 5 and a 7. There should not have been a call with a 5 and 7 at a regular table. I left the sites many times then come back a few months later. But after reading this article I am now supported in my feelings to never to go back. Don't think they can't put players at the tables and you don't know who they are.
I have been playing on Pokerstars for a couple of years now. I noticed a long time ago that there is definitely something not right in the dealing. Many times, especially in the last few months I would get the exact same hole cards, even the same suit, 2 or 3 times in a row? And more then once in the same day this would happen. Pokerstars tells me that SEEMS to happen more online because of the amount of deals the computer makes compared to a Human dealer. They say it happens seldom with a Human dealer because they will only deal hundreds of times in a night but the computer deals millions of times in a night so it is going to happen a lot more often? Someone needs to do the math! When you questioned Pokerstars on any of this you get a very scripted answer thats nothing but BS. I also noticed when I started wining more tournaments it became harder and harder to win with a really good hand. I would have a full house and get beat by a better full house or 4 of a kind! Now I know it happens but not as consistently as it does at Pokerstars. It's the only online Poker site that I am afraid to go in with a pair of aces! The biggest slap in the face is it is so obvious and no matter what the pokerstars staff won't even agree to check into it! I always got the answer that they had just been inspected and everything was above industry standards. They obviously have many glitches in their system. Several times I have been switched from table to table none stop 3 to 4 times in a row and by the time I got to play again I had missed 5,6,7 hands while being switched from table to table. I have sent them screen captures, Video's of hands, including a few I should have won or tied but lost! that's when I packed it in with them. I will never play for real money on Pokerstars again while they continue to ignore the complaints and tell us how above board they are. The problem is it happens at other sites also. 888 for example. I was playing there last week in a cash game and I noticed when I won a hand I was not getting the full balance that I won credited top my winnings! I started marking it down as I was playing and I won $45.00 that just disappeared while going from the pot to my hand! one of the other players even noticed and mentioned it. When I confronted them on it they said they had no record of it and I could go check the Hand History. I spent hours going through all the hands I played Comparing with screen shots I had taken and never found the screen shots? Gee I wonder where they went? The one that did it for me is a screen shot I took of a hand I clearly should have split the pot with the other player but somehow I lost?? I had Queens and 4's he had queens and there was a pair of 9's on the table. Tell me that's not a split pot. I sent them the screen shot a week ago and have not heard back yet! I honestly don't know where to play Poker for real money anymore. The other frustrating thing is hearing so many other players complaining during the game but they just keep going back for more? Tonight I decided I would search and see if I could find anything regarding these problems and I was pleased to find your website. The players are the only ones who can do anything about it, unless your a gluten for punishment. And there needs to be a more strict and impartial Governing body. And just so there is no confusion the 4 Star rating above is agreeing with Pokerstars being a SCAM!
i have recently takin 2000 gbp from pokerstars and am wondering whether to play again, i understand there is a lot of bad beats and have had them myself but also i think there is a way to beat the software by constantly playing good throughout the full tourney,sng etc. one bad play and thats it the software wants u out or for example when u are short stack and can only really go all in this seems to be when the bad beats happen they need runner runner and hit i think this is because the software wants u out. basically all i want is to play a legitimate poker site where i can grow as a player and make a profit for good play. over and out
The bad beats that happen in big play money tourneys is astoundingly bad. I play at local casinos and have never witnessed what I see on poker stars. I will never, ever deposit another single cent with these crooks. I believe that many of the "players" I have been up against are in fact bots. I have tried communicating with them and get no response. You are totally correct in calling them a scam and I'm done with them.
I have purchased approximately Three thousand USA dollars to buy play chips at poker stars in the last 2 years ,as of right now I have less than 10 million in play chips .It's always 1 bad beat after another ,or really bad cards winning against my good cards . I have e_mailed play poker about all the losin ,& the fact I am no where near having an account there even after spending three thousand dollars to have an acctount ,in facxt after each time I e_mail them I lose more ,so I've stopped that .My husband had an acct, there & was same thing with him as with me ,he threatened to call our attorney General here in our state ,& poker staRS CLOSED HIS ACCT . So I now know that there's nothing I can do about this ,I know i'm addicted & they also know i'm addicted ,but enjoyed reading what you have written here .Thank you .
There is no way that a shuffled deck of cards could ever deal so many repetitive cards as they do at PS. Every time I play at PS I notice that I'm getting a certain card over and over again. This has bugged me for a long time. One sitting it will be something like 3s for example. I will get a 3 in my hand over and over to the point that it would be impossible to do with a real shuffled deck. Next sitting it might be Ks or Qs but it's always way too many to be a legitimate deal. It's like 6 0r 7 out of 10 hands with the same numeric card repeating in hand No way is that a legit deal. The dealing software sucks balls and I'm hereby done with PS.
It is just for sure a scam. I was doing pretty good in big tournaments 4000-10000 players. I won 2, 2nd 2 times and final table maybe 10 times between january-april.Low stakes, buy in 3,3-7,5$. Then i started playing spin&go´s. There is just far too many action flops... its 3 max tables, but i havent even seen so much full houses, straight´s and flushes at the same time in 9 max tables. I made complaint about this issue to pokerstars with calculations. After that it was inpossible for me to win anything anymore. I just would like those criminals out of business. I think its purpose is just to make a lot of andrenalin rush and that way to keep people playing. I study really hard to become full time poker player, but these scammers ruin it.
Pokerstars is nothing but a joke. They are clearly rigged, and I would stake my life on it. I will not, however, stake any money with the scam site that is Pokerstars. If you play enough poker- which I have- you know when something is not right. The cards,or deal, or "random" number generator, whatever you want to call it, are not random in any way. I have suffered too many ridiculous beats- many in a row, many for days on end, to believe the site is nothing but a cheating, swindling scam. I will never play there again, and I truly hope they get their sorry asses shut down.
Pokerstars is rigged, thats a fact! - Amaya CEO David Baazov Faces Five Charges of Insider Trading and my best bet is that when the EU gaming commission realize that European gaming industry is losing a lot to those corrupted players on the market, they will shut down the entire operation. Pokerstars will be remembered as the worst within the gambling industry soon.
My advice is, do not deposit or play there. You will NOT win. They'll make sure you lose .. A LOT.
Pokerstars is rigged, I'm a pro and have been playing for 15 years online I see the difference. Its not that a lot of bad players causes the beats, the bad players does not make $1K + buy ins where I play.
As the title suggests. Same company that's unregulated, (Cigital does not count) running the decks. It's not fully audited, only a very small portion of what they handed in and its offshore in tax evasion areas. Sorry but the amounts of people complaining isn't a coincidence. Its a scam site. Steer clear. Just look into players 'InDaNuts' and the bots controversy to see its not a fair game.
I am a professional poker player, yesterday I won a national live tournament, £150k. But it doesn't matter at all. However I am not able to win constantly with Pokerstars because of the numerous bad beats they are dealing. Last time I played I left a tournament after a "pro" shoved with pocket 2 against my pocket K and he got a straight on the river. It was a $210 buy in Tournament, I was in the bubble.. Never mind, this things are happening live as well but not this crazy often.
Pokerstars is by far a huge internet fraud and Amaya owners shall be asked questions in court. They claim that you have equality of chances but the fraud happens on different bet sizing. For example is very likely that they will take you down when you bet big once, and keep you in the game on small pots.
I made a deposit of $20 about a week ago, played down to $13, then I came back the next day and I had $33. My cashier history said there was a $20 purchase, but I had never been on the site since being at $13. I emailed them and got no response so I figured I'd just withdraw the money. I then chopped a small tourney for $63, played a tourney and had a balance of $85. When I tried to make a withdraw, they said I had to wait for the deposit to clear (with I never authorized or requested in the first place). The next day I log on and my account is at $105. You guessed it, another "Purchase" when I had yet to log on that day. I am still waiting on the email response from them. It seems like they are planning on going bankrupt with as much of NJ money as possible. DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR ACCOUNT INFO. YOU CAN NOT MAKE WITHDRAWS AND THEY KEEP CHARGING WITHOUT PERMISSION.
Hi just had another night of bad beats on poker stars. I smashed my other laptop up becasuse i couldnt control my temper because of that site. Its when you deposit cash it seems to shit on you more so as you deposit more. I was in a tournament with 90 people left. for top prize of 2.5k, i was chip leader and had poket kings when a player went all in with kq. So i called and low and behold 2 queens come up and takes half my stack. Next hand i have AK an flop 2 pair so go all in. And get called by someone with pocket 8s and you guessed it the river comes up with and 8. I was then down to 4k chips and thought my luck in when next hand i get delt pocket queens and 2 players go all in one with aj and other with pocket 7. And the flop comes q 5 9 so i smilled and thought my luck had changed but not on jokerstars a king then an ace came out and gave the player a straight. What do you need to do on this joke site to win!!! Ive done nothing wrong and always get punished by the site and it helps bad players. Well i wont be back on this time and i advise everyone stop waisting your money on joker stars its a con!!!
Pokerstars is without doubt a total and absolute scam.
Do not play this site. You will get robbed. Mathmatical odds and probabilities never lie. .. Over the course of 5 years i have collated info on Pokerstars. Nothing stacks up except an extraordinay consistent highly inprobable algor8ythm that 9can only have been designed for one purpose.... To relieve you of yout money......
i lost the plot on the site after winning 2 decent prizes in a row.. 2 final tables. i withdrew surprise surprise and then after that i couldnt get going in any tourny. after reading some comments behind me i cant help but thnink why i couldnt win after withdrawing....... example is losing 6/7 times all in pre flop with AA vs AK and underpairs.
but anyway, i sent them an email and said to them i wanted them to get a full audit of their site to prove they arent rigging the deck after they shuffle ( i knew they shuffled the deck, but not what they do after the shuffle ) and eventually they suspended my acount.. seems i may have struck a nerve with them.
they told me i have to agree to the terms of service before i can play again... but they havnt responded to my emails accepting the terms, this has been 2 days now.
i had a look at the tournys i really tried at and worked out rougly i was giving my opponents 30% for all my critical all ins, yep, and losing 80%+. its beyond me howe this can be. and its been going on for years ffs!
i cant recall the last time i had that feeling of running true... never mind running good!
this needs to be taken to the political level were we can encourage support for a full online poker audit. we are clearly being scammed in one way or another.
Over Easter I played on Pokerstars several times ... In two tournaments ... NL Turbo Knockout .. 9 players ...
I reached the final table ... and then ... Heads Up ...
The first tournament ... dealt AJ ... so I went "all in" ... a bet of approx 8,000 ... my opposition called:
9 - 6 off suit .... made the straight !
The next tournament ... AK ... again "all in"
Again the opposition called
5 - 8 off suit ... made two pair
I am not asking the odds of this happening
I am asking:
Would any "real poker playing person", on the final table, heads-up, call an "all in" bet with:
9-6 or 5-8
I can not believe that in a "Cash" game, someone who was capable of "Heads Up" on the Final table would ever make such a call !!!!!!!
Yet it happened twice to me with different players
Sorry, but that makes me feel that something is wrong
PokerStars used to be a pretty good practice site. I keep my own hand histories and while you can still practice there, i'veseen a shift since they started selling play money chips. It benefits them to move players who are still playing with chips they earned prior to play chip selling over to paying customers. And they do this by making you lose your play money chips. Then you have to buy play money chips in order to play. That's their goal.
1 - Who keeps his source code hidden by everyone?
I mean ofcourse you HAVE to hide it if it is like a video game or generally a program that does something complicated and you don't want anyone to make a replica of it and sell it, but with poker clients, it is different. Pokerstars doesn't make money BECAUSE of the pokerstars client but rather because of the poker itself, so why hide the source code? Of course maybe you believe people preffer pokerstars because of the beauty of its interface and I am willing to accept that, but at least they should show the RNG part that "decides" the cards, and not have it approved by shady 3rd party companies like they say in their site.
2 - Who really CAN'T see the action flop phenomenon everyone is talking about?
I have played live and the amount of players that connect with a particular flop on a 9-seat table on pokerstars is simply incredibly high. It happens A LOT. For example you can slowplay trips in live poker because you know it is highly unlikely they will improve more than you, I mean it's a legit tactic, but you can't do that on Pokerstars, if you flop trips you must bet big, go all-in or raise big because if you wait it's likely that you will lose the pot eventually to something crazy. In live poker I get many times frustrating because I can't hit a flop or something but that never happens on Pokerstars,I hit many times but many times I have just the worst "hit".
Something is definitely going on, on pokerstars,, I am sick and tired of dedicating my time and life to theese scamsters, manipulating with my mind and pokerabilities,, its so amazing how many times i`ve experienced loosing with AA or KK etc. The underdogs are highly favourised and wins often,, the setups are continously unbelievable,,, i have the exats same experinces after cashout i begin to loose,, its stunning how often people report about this,,,, im not in a fkkn doubt anymore,,,, god damn scamsters earning so much money allready,,,
AFter absolute poker was caught being given the players whole cards from the security team lovation that were workers of absolute its killed the integrity of online poker. LIke they are the only site doing that. I have seen workers sit on tables on other sites with their own id names trying to see if the other heads up player is only playing fish. Sitting 100 bbs. Its pretty amazing anyone thinks they are getitng a fair game. Those guys winning millions of dollars probably have some software that helps them see the cards. The beats are way too many 2 and 3 outters and then our 15 outters keep missing. Its too fishy for me. If anyone thinks its not rigged they will know it is within a few years. Play at the casino dont play online.
i have NO problems what so ever with poker stars! they are courteous and helpful .and my money is in my bank account within 4 days .so i don't know what everybody is talking about ! thumbs up pokerstars .
I've been an online bullshit gambler for a few years and was considering real $$$ , with these crooks, lol , thanks for the heads up, I enjoy gambling, win or lose, I like to win mind you, most of all I demand it be fair game, no cheating. Cheers, thanx again .
POKERSTARS will put every obstacle in your path to prevent you withdrawing any funds, should you miraculously win. The communication is abhorrent and you will be left extremely disappointed. It's fraudulent. People must report their experiences to warn others.
Of coarse stars is rigged. I have played live for years and years and I c more bad beats , cold decks, and ridiculous run outs in one 9 seater sit n go than the thousands of hands I c in a three day tournament. Stars is all about the bottom line. It must create action. It must promote poor play so everyone feels they have a chance. So that u stay to the river to catch a 3 outter. The worst hand win 75% of the time.
I agree with the Statement about Jaime Staples. I watch the stream too and he gets dealt premium hands CONSISTENTLY . Every orbit he is catching AA , KK, KA, JJ, 88, etc. and his hands are holding on flips about 75% of the time from what I can see. He is so confident he pushes all in late in tourneys with hands like pocket threes because he knows he is a favorite to win no matter what. pokerstars has so much to gain from him winning with so many people watching.
Me perosnally, My flip hands hold only about 20% o the time.. Example ...The last 12 times i was late in a tourney short stacked with pocket kings i lose every single time but 1. I lose to ace high hand flopping an ace or 67 rivers triple 666 or smaller pocket pair rivering a set. If i have KK and see I am called by an ace high hand i know i am gonna lose now. I am wondering how long it will be before this ends. Its not right.
Same with KA I ALWAYS lose to an ace high hand with a worse kicker or a pocket pair.
I am running so bad for the past 3 months . I am losing waaaayyy more hands than I should. And why??
3 months ago I cashed out over 4 k in winnings from different tourneys. Not from running lucky but from playing tight and smart.
since then I cannot win even with AA
I definitley think pokerstars is rigged in some way that is so genious we cannot figure it out. It seems as though they can make you an underdog by applying some percentage for you to win or lose based on your previous play. If you are a good player they dont want you winning all the time because the bad players might just give up.?? Maybe i am wrong, but variance doesnt lie.
The only thing that keeps me gritting my teeth and coming back are the massive prizes available to be won.
One last thought. Pokerstars sponsers many players such as Daniel Negreanu for instance. If the site isnt rigged why do these sponsered players almost never log in and play?? Even on Sunday only a small percentage of them show up for the big tourneys. They could save so much money on travel and expenses if they just played online. They dont mind showing their faces on the login screens but they are so smart and also know that the variance is out of whack so they take what they can get from pokerstars and do the minimal amount required to get it .
Its clear they have preferd players. The system takes in account what the deposite rate and amount is of players. They will keep them interested just enough to keep depositing. Its set up to make and keep people addicted. This is normal busines for any gambling site. I sometime just watch table and what is happening is not possible in any mathematicle way. Its not about luck its clear to me that some players are not players but simple pokerstar bots. If a player gets 5 times in a row winning a hand with a change of over a million, one knows it stinks. Its either a bot or a well rated deposit player. So one should always be awere we going online on gambling sites. The simple fact remains you can not win so stop believing you can make millions.
i just want to say one thing I play on stars quite often if any of the other sites would just step there game up I'd probably play on stars a lot less. But the reality is is that no other site is even close to stars. The biggest thing for me is that you don't have peice of mind if it is or isn't when u play and get a bad beat at the casino u 100% know it was bad variance. And I wish it was that way online but it's impossible to know for sure. I wish there was a way to change that. But at the end of the day all your complaining the way you do isn't getting anyone closer to a 100% fair game all it's doing if making everyone discredit anything that's said. I wish online poker was more regulated it's 2015 for fuck sakes are government or even some sort of players union should demand that these site have strick and routine monitoring and if they can't comply with things like that then they should be shut down.
i 100% know pokerstarts is RIGGED
i played for many years and seen so many patterns
1) i open new accounts and would win money in first few days on every tournament i entered
2) after making withdrawls would run extremely bad
3) chip leaders always win with worst hand
4)action pre flop hands and post flop action
i see so much so i stopped playing and now play live and have a good consistent cash rate, and no way near see such bad beats
sometimes you just feel it and know in your heart when something is not right,
weather we want to belive it or not, because pokerstars is sooo big, rich and famous with great software people dont want to belive they would do this...but for that reason they are getting away with day light robbery
it hurts alot as i do this for a living and they scam for a living
I completely agree with your consensus but rather than believing its rigged, what is apparent is that it's clearly manipulated.
Their ingenious card systems have been designed to calculate all possible outcomes for all remaining players in such a way so that the players remain in hands as long as possible thereby maximising their rake returns.
For instance with three players remaining in a hand, how often have you seen one player hitting trips, another having two pair whilst the last is clearly heading for a flush. It is statistically impossible that cards would fall this way in a normal environment.
This apparent manipulation exists throughout online poker and there is not one integral online operator that is privy to these actions in their card systems.
I cannot emphasise this any further but do not play poker online as it's complete waste of time, effort but most importantly money. Progress is already underway with our learned associates at Imperial College, London to finally disclose how these unscrupulous operators have exploited the masses for ultimately their greed and we will ensure through our intelligence they're are brought to justice and held accountable for their actions.
They even scam you with the offer for free 20$. If you pay real money for the first time they will not give you the 20$, because you do not comply with some "conditions", you will not find these "conditions" and support will not answer your question
It's not that PStars is rigged against any one player, although I agree sponsored players are favoured, it's that the hands are setup to induce the biggest possible pots.
When hands are setup for big pots, there is often extremely rare outcomes, or bad beats, which takes the skill out of the game, and players have to rely on pure luck. Someone needs to go up against them and take them down, what they are doing is wrong.
I have played extensively (in the past-not any more lol) on Poker Stars and I 10000000000% guarantee that the site is in fact rigged in many ways - not just 1 way. I do not now where to begin with what I experienced it was so blatant and unbelievable. Again this started (like so many have reported) after I questioned them in an email. I played micro and recorded my stats daily. For example when I was in a 50/50 I won 12 %, when I led after flop I won 10 %. Over 10,000 hands IT NEVER CHANGED not even 1 day. The bad beats were worse than I ever seen any where. ......... I cant even really describe it I could not play another hand because because I had NO CHANCE. Poker Stars is a criminal org. 100 %
Ive been playing poker for 6 years now... Spent 1000s of hours playing on ps and i have to admitt !!!Whats goin on since 2015 is a joke!!!This system is like every other soft u can programm it in any way u want. This is all about rake thats why u loose tons of buyins against idiots. Why? to keep them playing!Imagine Pokerstars with donks who loose most of the time with their 3 outters!No more money in the game!Rake Rake Rake!!The bigger pots the more money ps makes!!Now in 2016 its even more ridiculous!!!i quit playin online cause it does not make sense.
I can't win in "CASH GAMES" OR "SIT AND GOs". I can't win an allin preflop with premium cards. I just can't. AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT AK.
I don't expect to win all the time, but I should at least win 20 fuuckiin percent of the time vs 1 opponent with those premium hands.
My opponent always always crack them, with miracle trips, runner runner flushes/straights with only one of his card. It's just unfuuckiiinbelivable. I feel like i'm being cheated all the time.
If I make those fishy calls with a low or middle pair on the flop, i never get those miracle trips/straight/flushes. Nope, no miracles for me. Most of the times my hand never improves @turn.
I cant win by set mining either, most of the time I dont hit shit, (and my opponent is the one who hits the set) so I fukn f0ld my aces, pocket kings, queens (yes i fold them, can't even win whith over pairs either (not when I bet))....... and when I hit a set, I end up loosing vs oversets, straight, flushes
Everytime I bet a lot, I loose, loose and loose. It's no longer a downswing, cause it happens to me all the fuckiin time.
I'm talking about the hands that matters. I just loose when it matters (when I BET!! all the fuckiin time). I only win tiny, worthless pots.
pokerstars is r!gged.!!!! playing there ain't profitable. there's no way i can profit by playing "CASH GAMES" OR "SIT AND GOs".
I don't even know if I'm playing against real players. (My guess is that most of them are house bots)
I stopped playing TOURNAMENTS at pokerstars. Because of large fields!!! However all my profit comes from tournaments (but not pokerstars tournaments).
I have profits playing online poker, but not at pokerstars. I loose money there.
As soon as I started winning they seized my account and then had the cheek to say I was cheating and when I asked how they named two other players one I have seen over and over as I only played $15 18man so more or less same players and the other never seen the name in my life . $173 gone no explanation and when I complain I'm told I'm banned for at least 3 years . I really want to do something about it and I don't know where to turn
Are they regulated ?
Should I just use money claim online and take them to court ?
It wouldn't be so bad if I knew how to get hold of my so called cheating partners I have asked for proof they are real NO REPLY I have asked who regulates and how to complain NO REPLY please please help if anyone knows how I can attack pokerstars I would most grateful .
Hi, when it comes to rigged online poker, my theory is the following : poker rooms have no interest to make a player win more than another, but they have an interest to big pots, as it means bigger rack. So I believe the game is rigged for action, in that way that if you are dealt KK someone is going to be dealt AA, or as seen often in those videos claiming it's rigged, action changing river cards...does that make sense ? Thanks for feedback
They charge you to buy Play Chips. Can we all agree this is a scam?
Idon't believe Pokerstars is rigged, because I've seen no evidence of it in my own games. Variance is a thing and suckouts happen. Before you suggest the site is rigged you might reflect on what the site has to gain by "rigging" the games. Actually, nothing significant.
Let's return to the questions that matter. Is the rake reasonable (no).
Can you cash out without quibbles? (I don't know but I don't like what I hear on the "grapevine")
Are the game beatable? (Certainly not for recreational players)
Is playing there an enjoyable experience (not at all, nobody even chats they are all multi-tabling)