Since 2001, PokerStars has been among the most prominent online poker brands. The company was one of the driving factors in the meteoric success of its young industry, and always offered strong security measures and customer support.
PokerStars had a strong reputation ten years ago, but that all began to change in late 2006 when the U.S. passed the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. This act made it illegal for PokerStars to accept US players and illegal for US banks to process payments related to online poker.
The biggest online poker site in the world at the time, PartyPoker, immediately accepted and followed this new US law, and left the USA market. PokerStars, however, disregarded the US government and continued to operate in the US. We feel this choice started PokerStars down a road of shadiness which leads us to our opinion today – that PokerStars is a scam.
PokerStars realized it was breaking US law by continuing to accept US players and eventually abandoned the US market. The company lost a lot of money and a significant portion of its customer base.
PokerStars has been in business for over 15 years. Although the company started as a play-money service only, the focus has been on real-money poker for more than a decade. After neglecting the USA UIEGEA law of 2006, the company reached a settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice in 2012. This settlement allowed PokerStars to return to the U.S. – in Nevada and New Jersey – which had legalized online gambling.
On April 15, 2011, the Department of Justice seized the pokerstars.com domain name, along with fulltiltpoker.com and several others. On April 20, the pokerstars.com and fulltiltpoker.com domain names were returned for the purpose of helping to facilitate the withdrawal of US players’ funds.
PokerStars was forced to leave the US market at this time.
Prior to the seizure, PokerStars could not legally provide service to U.S. residents, but they continued to for a time because it was profitable and because that law was difficult to enforce with them operating entirely outside the United States. The company is located in the Isle of Man and acquired a European Union gambling license through Malta.
Is PokerStars Rigged?
The most concerning question about PokerStars is whether the service is rigged. Admittedly, there is some compelling video evidence on YouTube of sponsored PokerStars players beating the odds on multiple occasions during a number of big events. PokerStars spends a lot of money on its sponsorships, and it behooves the brand to have these professional players be successful. The nature of online play, however, is that it is more difficult for a pro player to be consistently successful. Therefore, PokerStars has motivation, and the company has chosen to ignore rather than dispute the video evidence.
Keep in mind that PokerStars has no incentive to rig poker games outside of sponsored play. The revenues that PokerStars earns is based on the total pot no matter who wins it. In addition, VIP rewards are earned based on the amount staked not the amount won or lost. For that reason, it is very difficult to believe that PokerStars would rig games on a regular basis, and there is no concrete proof to suggest that PokerStars has done so.
In the end, there are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding rigged games and rigged decks, but overall it’s difficult to believe that PokerStars would actually fix the deck or the dealing of cards… but you never know.
Data Analysis and Breach of Privacy
It is worth noting that there were at least two independent analyses of the PokerStars dealer mechanism that presented data outside the norm. For some, this data was evidence that PokerStars was rigging standard games or at least that the dealer mechanism was not random.
PokerStars did react to this story by providing these studies with more comprehensive data sets to work with. In doing so, PokerStars breached the privacy contract with its players. Although user names were stripped, hand logs are publicly available, and it is possible to associate individual players with the released data.
Does PokerStars Cheat Players?
A much bigger concern of whether PokerStars games are rigged is whether the company is actually cheating players out of winnings. A quick search online will reveal a sharp increase in the last several years of players making complaints about having their accounts seized, bankrolls reduced when making a withdrawal, withdrawals refused, bonuses voided for no reason and so forth.
PokerStars turns a profit on every real-money player no matter how much he or she wins. Nevertheless, there is incentive to be even more profitable in a highly competitive market, and PokerStars would not be the first online gambling service to increase profits by exploiting consumers.
PokerStars does not want money leaving the system, so players that earn profits and routinely withdraw cash from the site are not good for the site.
In fact, PokerStars purchased Full Tilt Poker and continues to manage and operate this brand – a brand that is synonymous with the term ponzi scheme. Full Tilt Poker had rampant cheating going – and this is a fact. Directors of the company took money directly from players’ accounts and purchased homes, cars, jewelry, and more.
To this day, countless players and business partners are owed money from Full Tilt. PokerStars did not fully satisfy these commitments even though they now own and are responsible for the Full Tilt brand.
Better Business Bureau
Another point of concern for poker players considering PokerStars is that the company has never received accreditation from the Better Business Bureau. This was true prior to the UIGEA, and it is true even now in the states where the brand has a legal presence.
The BBB does track international companies, however, and although it has not accredited or rated PokerStars, it does have a file for the company in nearly every state. There are a significant number of complaints on file, and we urge everyone to check with their local BBB to consider local experiences with the PokerStars brand.
Is PokerStars Trustworthy?
The most egregious act destroying any remaining goodwill PokerStars may have had came very recently. On May 1, 2015, PokerStars sent an email to its online marketing partners drastically changing the terms of their agreements, causing significant damage to all of their Internet partners for their own benefit.
Marketing partners of PokerStars had an agreement – that they would receive a certain percentage of the revenues that PokerStars earned off players referred by that partner. And that revenue share plan would persist for the life of the player.
On May 1, 2015, PokerStars unilaterally changed the terms to only compensate their marketing partners for only two years.
AND POKERSTARS MADE THIS RULING RETROACTIVE.
What this means is that marketing partners that have been supporting and promoting PokerStars for years and years will lose all revenues from those players. They will only get compensated for players from the past 2 years. For partners that have been sending PokerStars traffic for over a decade, built up a sizable database of players, and developed those players, will lose 90-95% of their marketing revenues.
Basically, this is a breach of contract and PokerStars is more than willing to completely screw their partners.
You can read the full email below:
Email from PokerStars
If PokerStars is willing to do this to their business partners, then what are they willing to do to their players?
If you win a big tournament, what prevents PokerStars from immediately changing their terms to not pay you out?! NOTHING.
We believe that all of these poor decisions stemmed from the fact that PokerStars decided to break US law by continuing to offer their services to Americans.
Because PokerStars broke US law, they had to pay huge fines to the US Department of Justice. PokerStars paid $731 million to the US government to settle the charges of bank fraud and evading US restrictions on online poker.
PokerStars was guilty – and when online poker became legalized in New Jersey, Nevada, and Delaware, with the potential of California coming next, some laws had a bad actor clause – which disallowed PokerStars from entering the market since they were illegally operating in the US previously.
Amaya Only Cares About Its Bottom Line
Associating with the owners – the Scheinbergs – prevented PokerStars from entering US markets, which eventually led to the sale of PokerStars to Amaya. And this new change of ownership has led to the issues we see today. Amaya does not care about the players or the business partners of PokerStars.
Amaya added a 2.5% foreign currency transaction fee when depositing or withdrawing funds into PokerStars. And it did this WITHOUT NOTIFYING ANY OF ITS PLAYERS. This was just an added tax to increase Amaya’s bottom line.
Amaya increased the rake at PokerStars in late 2014! Rakes were increased on cash games, mtt’s, sit-n-go’s… basically everywhere. Again, this is another tax added to increase Amaya’s bottom line at the expense of the customer base.
And the final straw is Amaya’s destruction of it’s partnership agreements – changing their compensation from the life of the player to two years is utterly devastating to their list of long-established and trusted marketing partners.
If you do business on the Internet or play online poker, you simply can’t trust Amaya. Sorry, but we have to call it. PokerStars is a scam.
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this game is fixed or should I say BS algorisms IMPOSSIBLE WINS 65% on no chance river, the should change the name to "The lucky River Game" My cat payed and won! I think they follow me just because I say its fixed on chat box all the time No Way to beat some hands so much so I cam guess the river 75% of the time why? because the only card to beat me is the one I say
PokerStars is rigged to incentivise first, then shake you down. Member since 2009, I've actually seen this change happen over time. To me, with such a long online playing history, it seems so blatantly obvious. Way back when, the site played like real poker. One could say that if you see the pattern, you should be able to beat it. But it's all about retaining new gamblers while shaking trillions of pennies loose. Brilliant really but unfair to bias games and stakes to benefit new players.
Made an account with PokerStars Asia and deposited a small amount to play low stakes. In less than 24 hours they froze my account and that was that, no response to my verification request.
And now i heard they quit for china market,I can’t get back my account money. Seeing as they've taken it and froze my account and won't respond to me, I'd that amounts to theft right now.
Hour and a half in a tournament, get 2 Jacks in hand and 1 on the flop. Go all in and the one infront of me shows Jack and King. What are the two next cards? Two Kings. Nice, 0,3% chance of that happening.
Ive been playing PokerStars Asia for 1 years when 6UP become the only partner of PokerStars Asia. I still remember how convenient it was for china players,we could register,deposit and withdrawal directly through 6UP website.
Sep 2020, without notice to anyone PokerStars pulling out of the three regions in Asian.The way of dealing with customers is more rude and impersonal. Ridiculous in every possible way.
i know for sure they have employees working for them online. Way to many bas beats, many will say the reason for the bad beats is because its fast, i call bull s. H. I. T. I have lost thousands of dollars on there because someone would catch on river. For example i had pocket Aa preflop. I pre bet $25. Everyone folds except for this one player who i see all the time on there playing multiple tables at one time and always has a bunch of money on all tables. So he re-raises ne $85. So i go all in with $411 he calls and all he has is a 5 hearts, 7 hearts. And catches a flush on the river.. no one will call a $400 bet with a 5, 7. So its almost like he knew he was winning. This happened to me with about 6 players all the time, all 6 of these players are on there all the time on multiple tables and all have trippled there money. So in my opinion they all work for pokerstars, and pokerstars is giving them cards so they constantly win.. it has happened to me alot.. and when i call them out they leave the table.. i have never been able to cash any money out. I always loose all my money with really bad beats that are un heard of. No one is that lucky to call a $400 bet preflop with a 5, 7.. i dont care what people say pokerstars is rigged. They will not get anymore of my money because if i play i fo to casino for now on. I always leave tye casino with a poket full if cash when i play texas holdem. But on pokerstars i end up re-dipositing more money only to get bad beat after bad beat.
the platform is amazing but when you start playing things start getting bizarre. No chance their algorythm isnt bias, just so many flushes, straights, three card games, so no, just imposible. it applies to all so no harm yet, you can just adjust the math and even the odds again. Yet, river and turn cards are way out any stats, flip coin, I would say. Just pray and wait what happens but its really frustrating to lose repeatedly vs cowboys and bad players who are clueless about poker dynamics or statistics- Defintiviely avoid it if you like a serious poker game, down to sue them anytime (tons of data to prove how bias game algorythm is)
Forget about me, or my playing style, knowledge or experience. It does not matter. Actually "Nothing else matters".
Whatever the review, people are going to throng pokerstars, and that may include me too.
No one will ever know the truth. Just like what happened in 9/11, or COVID was really man made. But whatever is happening, is morally justfied. 9/11, COVID, JFKs assasination. etc etc.
Ok, cut the crap. This is my review of Pokerstars. There is something going on in Pokerstars, that I say for sure, and I say they have a "moral justification" (though the intention is to profit). It is the same like that Baghdadi guy promising 73 virgins and righteousness in heaven to all the foot soldiers. Only, th efoot soldiers in pokerstars are the "programmers".
Guess what the owners would have told them and convinced them? "We have to make the playground level" , yes, you are right, the same Socialistic Democratic Crap (profit veiled as righteousness).
I mean, it could be two things,1. Intentionally ignoring errors, omissions in bias.2. specifically programming to overcome new player handicaps
You are right, it is the same as the government interference with the economy by installing minimum wages, tax breaks, incentives etc.
Who is the loser? actually all the players. How and why?- The Weak lose by reinvesting and believeing that they can win- The strong lose because they believe in themselves but only to be beaten by weak players.
In the End, money keeps coming into pokerstars but will never leave. Just like the Eagles song.Welcome to Hotel Pokerstars. You can checkout anytime, but you can never leave!(Review From Canada, Hey, from Alberta)
Anyone with a slight resemblance of a working brain can figure out the site is a scam. Just run some simple tests...I have lost there with dozens of bad beats in a row...constant flushes and straights, full houses...seems they will run you dry just so you will buy chips....SCAM!
Hi, I have been using Pokerstars for the past few months. The most I won playing 2 days was 5 times the amount. It only happened when I first made my account. I was flying high but was cautious. Playing for the next 2 days brought my account to half of what I started with.
Pokerstar will let you win when you are new, then slowly take away everything.
Then I decided to put only a certain amount, play, winn ittle and cash it back into my bank account. This is where the real scam starts.
Once you withdraw money, Pokerstar will make sure that you loose rest of the amount as soon as possible. For example, lost my 33355 full house to 33366. This is just one example. Lost my KKK to AAA with both two aces opening on turn and river. The guy I lost to had nothing but Ace high in a round with two K on flop and me going all in as I had triplet. Hw TF that guy knew to go all in and getting 2 Aces in the end. This is not just one case. I have played real live poker alot in my life and I know that no sane player will go all in like that.
I believe Pokestars have sponsored players playing along with you who know what cards are gonna open up. Also, I have seen single player dominating the whole table with getting Aces, straights & full houses in literally every round. They will keep on bidding higher for flops. It will happen continuously for many rounds and you will be folding continuously saving money. Then in one round you will get Ace and king, the same guy will raise again, you will counter, you will get two pair of A & K, the 3rd card in flop would be something like 5 or 4 you will go all in, he will call, turn & river will bring out one more 5 or 4. Now you can eat shit because the other guy's cards will open up and you get to know that MF was coming all in against Aces & kings with 5 & 2 in his hand scoring a triplet of 5 against your 2 pairs of A & K. How TF a sane [person goes all in against A & K with just a pair of 5 in his hand.
I have not spent a lot of money, but I have understood that Pokerstar is rigged.
I am not writing this because I have lost few of my money on it but I want to put it out in the open, please dont use pokerstar, they are cheat & they just want you to be hooked and keep spending money because once they made you win alot.
We were just playing a $22 cash tourney on the Home Game side of PokerStars and I went up against the same opponent late in the tourney at the final table where he beat me 3 straight hands in a row getting the CASE CARD to win on the river ... the odds of this happening in a real life casino are so astronomical that this software just must be reviewed and changed. I have deleted my account with PokerStars in frustration and encouraging my friends to play on a different site. Ridiculous in every possible way.
I am going to keep this short. A lot of players who complain about Poker Stars being rigged are fish. And that is a problem because it discredits good players who also point out that there are major issues with Poker Stars. I do think their tournaments play the way they should. I made a lot of final tables and the bad beats seem normal in tournaments.
I am NOT at all complaining about bad beats in cash games because that is almost impossible to prove or disprove easily and so many bad players who would be losing no matter what complain about bad beats.
Here is the issue however. I am a good player and I have lost relatively little money minus the rake at poker Stars Cash games.
But I find it impossible to win even though there are plenty of bad players. But here is what exposes Poker Stars for the frauds that they are. In their cash games I played over 500,000 hand without one serious upswing. I play 6 to 8 tables and about 5000 hands a day. Did this for 4 straight months and did NOT once get a 100bb stack over 200bb. This lack of upswing variance over this sample size is clearly not a natural phenomena. That has to be man made. I can prove this too. They have the records and I also have many records. I do see new players and fish who make many buy ins getting big stacks and that is what kept me optimistic for so long. Also I am a very aggressive player, I am not afraid to jam J J if someone has a weak 3 betting range and 4 bet calling or jamming range. Unlike %99.5 of the claims here, this cheating claim can actually be easily proved. I am considering a law suit. Not to make money for myself but to demand fair playing cash games for strong players. Their software apparently protects the fish from the sharks, or as one of their CEOs said, they protect the vulnerable. That could be taken several ways, but I am not the only one who noticed that even strong players are not winning much if at all in their cash games and even when there are plenty of weak players in the game. The whole 50NL Zoom in Europe is said to be so strong that players there make bets on who can break even. Well that is not the case here in the USA, we have plenty of big fish playing, and we do not have Zoom.
Here is what I can prove in court, I played over 500,000 cash game hands with out a single big upswing and could not even get 50 stack over 100 dollars in the 50 NL cash games.
The 30 NL cash games I could get some bigger stacks but that was mostly do to inducing people into making huge bluffs and not because there were two strong hands against each other.
Recently I had A 10 off and there was a huge crazy bluffer in the 50NL. I he 3 bet and I 4 bet to Isolate him while he was out of position. Flop came A 10 6 rainbow. Nice right, well I c bet he called, turn came a 10. I checked he checked. River came a brick I bet very small 1 4th pot cause I figured he would jam, this guy was a massive fish. The small bet made him Jam. Guess what he had 2 5 suited. He had NOTHING whatsoever, and that is the problem. I started to realize that the vast majority of my big wins were bluffs, and typically when I made a big hand my opponent had nothing. Stars can put out the right hand distributions over time, but what they do not look at is who gets what and win.
I got a USCF Expert rating at chess. I was a Lehigh U physics math major. I am NOT some fish complaining about bad beats. This is about getting nothing over a huge sample size.
I study poker 3 hours a day on average. I have a USCF Expert rating at chess. Over 2100. Forgive any typos I just woke up and did not get a lot of sleep, though why I am saying is very important as what I am saying is actually provable.
I am making NO complaints about bad beats here. The problem I have is that over 500,000 hands played at Poker Stars Cash games, I did NOT once have a single big upswing. There was an initial period where I had a few good days with upswings, but then it literally stopped for over 500,000 hands.
I was playing 30NL, 50NL and 100NL games, I can not speak for the higher stake games. I am an aggressive player, but the point here is that it does not matter if I am a great player or a fish.
There is no way I should have over a half million hands with NO heaters, NOT once did I get a 100BB stack over 200BBs.
I am a good hand reader and avoid a lot of coolers, that being
said I 3 bet light, I check raise bluff flops, with my draws, that hit my range hard. I isolation raise and am not afraid to jam when the math is right.
I am not talking about winning money or losing money here, I am talking about going over a half million hands with not one single upswing. I have read that Poker Stars tries to protect the fish from the sharks. Main reason is they do no not want the good players to win all the money and drive away the bad players who keep buying in new all the time. One of the reasons I gave the site so much of a chance is because I would see new players and fish make big stacks, 400 to 700 bbs and that made me happy because I thought it must be legit. Only problem is no matter how hard I tried I could not get a single stack over 200bbs. I play 6 to 8 tables on average and about 5000 hands per day. Over 40 months this comes to approx. 600,000 hands. I can only conclude that something is very wrong as this simply would not happen without some human intervention. I play very well, Poker Snowie ranks me between World Class and Extraterrestrial on big sample sizes. But this does not matter because both the worst and best players in the world would have some big stacks over a half million hand sample size. In fact they should have some big hands over a much smaller sample size. Poker Stars cash games play like a somewhat improved version of 3 6 limit. Improved because fish and maniacs will all in bluff sometimes.
That was another issue. I was making some money during the first 2 months of the pandemic shutdown. Though I realized it was not because of my hand vs my opponents hand very often but mostly when I induced people to make huge bluffs. Usually bet betting real small and pretending to be weak. The lack of strong hand vs strong hand was disconcerting. All too often it was a very strong hand vs a very weak hand.
Poker Stars Tournaments seem to play fine though. I made a lot of final tables and hit the bubble often. There are bad beats but they seem to work in an even way that is fair over time for the tournaments.
I am not complaining about bad beats. I am complaining about playing over 500,000 hands and not get one single heater or big upswing. Do to good hand reading skills I did not lose very much, but they made it so that I could not win much and would untimely lose slowly cause of rake. Against all very strong players that would not be unreasonable to expect, but here in the USA a lot of the players are bad. At least 15 percent to 30 percent.
Another issue I had was the casino free play. I played black jack with the free money they give you, and found that black jack was so easy to win with the free money, in fact I had to try to lose cause it was so boring. Of course when I switched to real money all a sudden winning at blackjack seemed impossible. Well it should be online and I expect to lose with black jack. That is why I do NOT play black jack normally.
But Poker Stars gave me this free play money, that you can not cash, you have to score points, anyway this happened on 3 occasions and each time it was clear that black jack was a give away with the free money and something really bad with real money. I did not lose much as I am not a gambler. I play plus EV plays. I gave poker stars a chance but with over 500,000 hands played at their cash games, while playing 6 to 8 tables, and not getting one 100 BB stack over 200BBs over 500,000 hands, there is something clearly wrong and that is also very easy proof that poker stars is doing something that can only be called cheating.
You will have a hell of a time proving rigged coolers and frankly a lot of people who complain about poker being rigged are in fact fish, but not everyone. Many good players notice something is off too, however the point here is that I went over 500,000 hands without even one big upswing. That can not happen random, that is human intervention for certain.
I was a math physics major, I have a USCF official Expert rating over 2100 so you are not talking to the average game player. I believe we should sue poker stars and they have no right to manipulate the cash games. Keep in mind that I do NOT believe that they are cheating at tournaments. The tournaments seem to play fair to me, but the cash games are playing similar to a slot machine but with no big jackpots.
Poker is poker and they think they are cleaver, however there is no answer whatsoever that can justify OVER 500,000 hands with NO big upswings at all. I am very angry about this.
Im not impressed with pokerstars. Although the site is beautiful. Customer service/support is brutal! I emailed them 6 times and still no response! I never recieved the proper bonus i was expecting! When I finally did speak with someone about it, they did absolutely nothing for me! They get one star for a nice looking site! Other than that I was not impressed!
Anyone who has played on this site for more then a few days will absolutely recognize this scenario:
You flop 2-pair on a uncoordinated board. You bet and maybe one other player raises. Maybe you end up re-raising and the other player goes all-in. Of course you call. When the cards are shown, the other player has 5/2 off-suit with no pair.... no draw... no nothing. What happens next? The turn and the river comes 5 and 5 and you lose to trip 5's.
I realize that their are stupid poker players out there in the real world, but NO PLAYER in their right mind would make that call. ZERO! It's almost as if they knew the turn & river would give them trips, right? Sarcasm definately intended.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen hands like this play out. The article above mentioned that "what PokerStars earns is based on the total pot no matter who wins it". THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE POINT. PokerStars is 100% absolutely using "bot" players to push the rake.
I also has issues getting money out of the site. Like many poker sites, getting money in is easy. Getting it out can be next to impossible. I'm done and I won't be going back. EVER!
Just as a final note, my friends and I labeled PokerStars "the place where two-pair go to die". It's funny because it's true.
I am a retired poker dealer of many years and I refuse to accept their opinion of how the cards are dealt with an algorythm that is supposedly random. There is no way in hell that the flops of 2 and 1 come up that many times in a real game and the bad beats...just don't ask. This is a very disgusting site and the customer service...well in plain terms...really sucks big time. I honestly believe that they have so called "BOTS" being fictional players, just to line their own pockets. There is just no way that you can lose so many pots to random cards like that. I sure hope that the proper people do see this and take some kind of action, just to see for themselves...Too bad that we don't know who is the real culprit behind the doors of this scamming site...bastards...I won't be back...EVER!!!
PokerStars has significant problems with Customer Service and isn't doing the best job with this and deserves criticism. They also deserve criticism for how they handled dismantling their SuperNova scheme. However much of the above is fact-less garbage that ought to be ignored.
"Admittedly, there is some compelling video evidence on YouTube of sponsored PokerStars players beating the odds on multiple occasions" - This is written by someone who doesn't understand data. EVERY player "beats the odds" on multiple occasions. They aren't really "beating the odds" just experiencing standard statistical variation. PS' RNG (random number generator) is independently verified so perhaps check your facts before making silly assertions like this. Every poker site has lots of people complaining about bad beats as though the universe circles around them. It doesn't - every player gets them - you aren't special.
As someone who nearly lost a chunk of my bankroll when fulltilt went under, I was very glad that PokerStars paid me this when they bought the company. Ditto with PKR. That was around $7k that I would have lost to companies going bankrupt that PokerStars got back for me.
They are far from perfect and need to raise their game with CS but scam? Obviously not. PokerStars are now active in the US btw. PA, NJ and likely more states opening up soon as well.
So out of date - often inaccurate, poorly researched article above. Ignore and do your own research.
Absolutely terrible, no customer service, they wont even try to help with the smallest issue.. I am amazed that they are operating at all, and have learned to do more research before helping a company profit.
I do not believe the site is rigged in regards to cheating because it makes no sense as previously stated by others. I do feel the "random card generator" algorithm is not what it should be and does not deliver cards with the percentages over the long hall of a dealer with a shuffle machine. Way too many bad beats regardless of which side of it you're on. Pocket Aces or Kings for example should win 80% & 70% of the time respectively when heads up. I could be wrong, but it sure doesn't seem as it plays out that way. Anyway, to me a mediocre poker experience, but no scam.
Same m.o. every time. I put money in and easily run it up to 3or 4 times my investment. Then it happens. You start to lose consistently. And not due to bad decisions , I’m talking horrific and absolutely blatant b.s losses. I love the believers who drank the cool aid , who try and spew the same crap. It’s not logical to assume that what all of us are experiencing is basic mathematics. After watching my account depleted repeatedly, I started to document my play. The one statistic , which is so glaring is this one. Over hundreds of hand i had AK hole cards 32 times. I have won 1 of those. 1 out of 32. And the losses are so laughable and obvious. Pocket deuces. Runner runner everything. River cards that have become predictable. Simply put if I can predict all my losses I should not be playing in this medium. It’s easy to say “ It only feels like the bad beats are more frequent because the automatic deal is so fast” or” we only remember the bad losses. “ that’s total b. s. If the percentage of winning certain hands is not the same on ps then it must be rigged. I am not a mathematician but you can’t fool everyone all the time and not be exposed.
Last night i went on pokerstars and was pleased to find a $5 casino bonus and $5 in a chest that they gave for some error that had happened that week. I played for a while on a Caribbean poker table and got my balance up to $40 and at that point i left the site for the night. When I logged back in i had $5.41 and my casino "bonus" was back of course i sent in a complaint but im sure I probably wont hear anything for about a month like last time i had a complaint. Its bad enought that its possible to predict that its likely when playing to know almost every time what card will arrive to beat you so they can finish their dodgy tournaments quicker but now money is disappearing from my account its a complete scam .
Rigged or not? Favor a player to win – or themselves to get rich?
All this talking about rigged poker clients. How, and if, a client is favoring players? Or give Aces or Kings way to often to whatever player, or never? I do not believe any clients to be rigged – like that. It would have been way to obvious. They wouldn’t last for a day out there. Thou, what I have been noticing; happening to myself, but also every other player at whatever table I’m at, in whatever client. Getting low in stack. Happens to everyone from time to time.
So, when you, or any other player, finding their self in early or middle position, action on that player, getting a “okay to show” hand (somewhere like a pocket par or any other combination giving a 50%+ chance of winning), and do so, there is almost always someone later at the table with a monster hand calling, and; also a bigger stack. Or the other way around; short stack player is getting a monster hand, only to find the dealer position, SB or BB having a hand like a low pair+, or any other hand giving them a okay pot-odds to call with. In both alternatives, the big stack seems to be the winner most of the times, no matter what two cards the players have. So goodbye to that torment for the low-stack player, and $$$ for the poker client in rake because the same player makes a buy-in in another tour, or a rebuy in the same.
So, I guess the real question to ask when considering if, and how, online poker clients are rigging their platforms, and how to do the correct analyze of all billion hands (and maybe getting on step closer be able to?), to disclose their scam, has to be;
*How often are short stack player placed in an early position with a “okay to show”-hand, only to find a player with bigger stack in later position calling with a monster. And is the outcome of this events, isolated, close to what is expected to be normal regularity?
*How often are short stack players given monster hands which is an obvious show, only to find a player in position; Button, Sb or Bb to have a hand giving them a good-pot odds, to call with. And is the outcome of this events, isolated, close to what is expected to normal regularity?
To make this a complete and fully good analyze, will be extremely complicated. I think first you have to see how often all combinations are given out. There I guess you’ll find it to be what is expected to normal regularity. Then all these hands must be looked at isolated for short stack VS big stack (or D, Sb, or BB) play. And on we go. All combinations can be given out “all over” to look normal. Thou, the majority of all these setups might be abnormal if you choose to look at them isolated on short stack play. We have all been short stack from time to time, and we have all experienced what I describe above, from both sides.
So, can it be that in total the dealing system is doing what everyone will expect from it, due to regularity and other statistics. All possible combinations are given as many times as expected. But if you choose to look at the players stack size and table position, and who they end up playing against that one “Double or nothing” hand, you might find irregularities.
All over a pocket pair will be given 1/217 hands. And for any pair combination to appear five times 1085 hands need to be given. Here, if you can find pocket pairs these to appear 3 out of 5 times to short stack players there might just be a reason to question this. Because there is a lot more players playing average stack, then there are players playing short stack. Put a small pair to short stack, and a big pair to monster stack, and the client have just given out two pocket pairs. Then, they only need to NOT give any pocket pair for the next 432 hands. If they do this all over, in more than a billion hands, no one will ever notice the scam, because the statistic shows the system have been dealing out two pocket pair over 434 hands. Which is just what to expect.
And from here you can begin doing all the highly advance mathematical calculations to look at all given hands, and expected outcomes, including consider stack sizes and table positions. Thou, it isn’t for me to do; I just don’t have the computer capacity required for such a big task. So, I find it easier to just avoid playing AQ from UTG+ when I’m short stack.
This is not a conspiracy, it’s just me thinking out loud. Why? In the end, the only concern all online poker clients have, like all other gambling sites, are making big money. And yes, they will sure make a lot of cash with truly random card generation system, but; a hidden system made for speeding up all torments, and getting short stack players out ASAP will make them a lot more money through all the fee’s we give them when we buy our self a place in the next tournament; the one where we just hope we might be the lucky one who’s dodging the killing bullet from the “random” card generator.
Good luck out there! 🙂
Quello che mi da tanto fastidio che come fanno le persone andare all in con 34 off suited contro otto persone e consapevole di vincere comunque. In realtà nessun farebbe una cosa del genere contro 8 persone a tavola. Perché l’inizio è stato così. Si ho scritto vincere comunque. Perché è proprio così. Il bello che ho fatto screenshot e ho le prove. Peccato che non si possono allegare le immagini. Il bello arriva dopo. La stessa persona di all in 34 off suited che si fa chiamare matte629 il suo nickname giocava e le vinceva tutte. Andando spesso all in addirittura contro due persone. Non mi sono accorto solo io se ne accorto anche un’altra persona che ha scritto nella chat di questa cosa “ogni puntata risulta vincente “. Giocava (spesso andando all in) e la vinceva tutte. Per fortuna ho messo pochi spiccioli per questo gioco. Un altra cosa scandalosa ho fatto caso che i chip leader sono favoriti nelle vittorie. Appare sempre magicamente la loro carta vincente al river. Che probabilità c’è che al flop escono due volte in modo consecutivo le stesse due carte e dello stesso seme? Si escono le stesse due carte e dello stesso seme al flop due volte consecutivamente.
I had a very interesting run with Pokerstars PA. I have been playing live poker for 30+ years. I am definitely not the best player in the world but I can certainly hold me own. I primarily play cash games at several local casinos about once every month. While stuck inside with this virus nonsense I decided to sign up for some online poker through the pokerstars Pennsylvania site.
I put somewhere around a couple hundred dollars into my account and started playing some small stakes cash games. Over the course of a couple weeks, I did ok but mostly just broke even to a little down. Noticed some bad beats but didn't think much of it since bad beats are a regular part of the game.. You get some and you give some.
My strange experience all started when I began playing the tournaments. I played in 5 or so tourney's and didn't do terrible but never really placed either. These tourney's ranged from 350-750 players with $3-$5 buy ins. Then, all of the sudden I started getting crazy cards.. I was hitting flops like crazy and when I wasn't the best hand, I would make some crazy pulls on turn and river, sometimes both... If I had an AKO, I pulled an A or K nonstop.. If I had a J3O, I would play it and pull J33 on flop. Crazy....
Since I have been playing cards for a long time, if I get cards I can easily win cash games and tourney's all day long... During a span of about 10 days ending on Thursday April 23, I ran a ~$100 account to $1166 playing $3, $5, and $10 tourney's only. I won 2 $5 tourneys with between 445-670 players and came in the top 10 of 3 others. Won a $3 bounty tourney and came in second i n another. Came in second and fifth in 2 $10 tourneys with one having over 700 players.
Well as you can imagine, I was flying high!!!! Everything was falling for me and I felt like I was the best player in the room during every single tourney I entered.
Fast forward to 3 days later on Sunday April 27 (tonight)... I have played in dozens of tourneys in the past few days with buy ins between $3 and $30. The best I have been able to finish in any of the last 3 days of tourneys is break even (depending on the size of tourney, that means finishing anywhere from 70-130...
I have been so cold that I have been playing super tight to try to turn things around. So far, that is not working either since I am literally blinding out to the point where I have to shoot the moon only to get beaten by any number of hands. I have had more bad (and I mean some terrible) beats in the last 3 days than I can remember in the last 15 years.
My account is now down to just under $700 and I just withdrew $600 and left some playing money in the account for shits and giggles.
I have one last interesting tidbit. After getting torn up in many tourney's this weekend, I decided to play a small cash game. The first hand I was dealt when I entered the cash game was 3-5 suited on the button. I checked and the flop was 333.. Total BS... I have been playing for 3 decades and never have seen anything like that before. To top it off, the player to the left of me has second nuts and lost the maximum. Happy I won but c'mon, that is fishy to say the least.
Pokerstars feels more like an online casino than a legit poker room with above the board poker odds.
They are definitely using some crazy algorithms to goose the pots.
DO NOT PUT SERIOUS MONEY INTO THIS SITE. PLAY LIVE POKER AND STAY AWAY!!
Why do bad players always insist a Poker client is rigged?
I've played 100's of thousands if not a million+ hands on pokerstars.
It's not rigged, it makes no sense that it'd be rigged, Pokerstars would have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Just accept that you're bad at poker if you can't win, or that you don't understand variance.
I've lost 4 higher pair vs lower pair hands (all in preflop)in a row, and still continued to have a winning session.
There's thousands of pros with hand histories in the 100 thousands and million who can confirm that 'what happens in reality' is very close to expected returns with their fancy graphs.
I got pocket 3's two hands in a row. That only happens 1 in 49284 times!! RIGGED!!
Se vuoi farti truffare i tuoi soldi gioca in Poker Stars. Il gioco è chiaramente preordinato a favore di alcuni giocatori quasi sempre canadesi e di random non c'è niente. È una truffa organizzata. Speriano che li arrestino
Pokerstars is rigged and pokerstars vr is even worse !!
HAND ONE - AA lose to runner runner straight
HAND TWO - J10 flop J4J lose to river fullhouse
HAND THREE - A4 flop AAK lose to runner runnner flush
This is complete junk !!
Pokerstars creates "Action Hands" where they make everyone think they have the nuts so everyone will bet,raise and call to make the pot bigger and bigger resulting in a larger rake, this is the ONLY reason why pokerstars rigs games....to make the pot as big as possible so they can take more rake.
If this wasnt rigged and normal play then the rake would be "Standard" on every hand (Say the rake would be $1 on all hands for 50 hands then that would be $50, but if they "rig" the game to make the pot massive say the rake would then be $20 so over 50 hands the rake is $1000 !
I played on FT Poker back before it was banned on Black Friday 2011. I turned 0 dollars to 1200 playing mostly 9 person S&G, 2 dollar games. The math ran within 1% of all situations on a huge database of hands I had amassed. It took me 4 years to get my money, but I finally did. I can only play FT poker now for play chips. I no longer have access to HH's, and the "hands" feature which shows all your played hands no longer works either. I've sent many e-mails but only get a "were getting to many e-mails to answer yours" reply every time. The math doesn't run right at all anymore. I don't believe the old owners of FT poker were crooked, because the site had a true random RNG. Why would a crook run a fair random deal? I believe Jokerstars set up FT Poker to go down. Because back then, all your top name players were on FT Poker, not Jokerstars. The biggest top name pro they ever had, Daniel N., has even quit the site.
As we all know pokerstars poker hands are seriously rigged. But there casino is worse. I spent over $5000 playing their kong megaways machine and didn't get the free spins bonus once. It has to be illegal,, but what can I do. I have played hundreds of other casinos online, and I am not saying that you win every time.. but you certainly get a bonus once in a while. I kept playing day after day.. I would say no less than 100,000 spins (playing $1 a go)and not 1 bonus. This company should be banned.
The gameplay is not a good representation of real poker. It rewards poor decision making by making every turn and river card a runner-runner shitshow. Bots galore and predetermined winners
Beware of going anywhere near this often highly lauded site.they advertise a 1 million tournament to get you interested .They have no interest in you whatsoever once you sign up.They let you deposit and then freeze your account.Then they ignore you for as long as they can.The next delay tactic is to ask you to verify you are who you say you are for security/money laundering etc.Their next move is you can only send the aforementioned documentation passport id,utility bill etc through to them by going to a page on your account but the thing is you cant log in because your account is frozen for security reasons.Hence they keep your funds hoping you get so frustrated that you just go away.I must say that in all my years i have never experienced such bad customer service.And finally it is very hard to get any of the governing bodies to listen to you as their legal team have the company set up in away that there are layers and layers of protection for them.AVOID UNLESS YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR FUNDS THAT'S IF YOU GET TO USE THEM. i joined on 17/3/20 and got to play for 10 mins then my account was frozen they owe me £120.00 which i will get back but when ,your guess is as good as mine.DO NOT SIGN UP WITH THESE FRAUDSTERS.
I started playing online poker since the Coronavirus started just to pass time and instantly became addicted. I was winning crazy hands (For example, going all-in on the flop, having only a 5% chance to win on the turn but end up winning on the river anyway.) Needless to say, I thought I had this whole poker thing down. Eventually, as time passed I became the player at the end of a lot of bad beats and terrible hands. Every time I would lose my money, I would redeposit thinking I'm a smarter and more strategic player.
Nooooope. Lol there's no amount of understanding for the game of poker that can prepare you for players who goes all-in with a 76 different suits to your pocket jacks....and then that player getting a straight on the river.
After having played on PokerStars for about 2 weeks now its blatantly obvious that this site profits off giving players crazy wins on the river to feed their rush and excitement for the game.
This quote taken from another review perfectly illustrates why they rig hands.
"Poker Stars, along with their flops that suck 3+ players into the mix on the flop only to create improbable and unexpected results by the river is a study in abusing algorithms to take advantage of human greed and impulsiveness. Poker is tapping into our dopamine receptors in the first place and the 5 card set ups are just elevating that scenario to the next level."
-They let newcomers win crazy and big hands to get them hooked.
-After they realize you're a big depositor they make it extremely difficult for you to win big hands.
-They rig hands to make the river card a huge deciding factor.
-You're probably playing against bots.
-A lot of other reviews point out the really suspicious card dealing so give those a read as well.
Please stay away from online poker. From one degenerate to another.
They gave me a surprise of 3 billion chips about a year ago but no matter how careful I played I kept going down. I now play 500k games and it is rare for a spin and go to pay out even money for the 3 players in the game, frequently it is 750k pay out and it is extremely rare to get even 1.5 million let alone anything more than that. Players ARE BUYING chips at an outrageous price with a certain guaranty they will lose it all no matter how good a player they are. I would say that 90% of the time you will be rivered if you have the best hand going in. I don't play anything that is time consuming so my opinion is based on SPIN AND GO.
Ive done analytics on stars for 5+ years and its a total scam, rigged with bots and insane odds and %. All other sites ive played seems more legit, but its impossible to prove this. I would say, online poker is great! Just play somewhere else than Pokerstars
Hi Steve (and of course anyone who reads this),
Thank you for your reply 😊
From the second until the 16th of februari 2020 so the past 2 weeks, Pokerstars presented the Bounty Builder Series. Of course I've played and more than usual, mostly in win a ticket tourneys because who doesn't want to win huge prizes that often were above €10k up to even €180k (in the last Bounty Builder Series tourney that was playing last night because it was a 2day event, entry costed €530,00 and 2 re entries available) I know I do.
Although I was playing all the time I was awake, I just won 12 tickets and overal won peanuts (so those 2 weeks cost me a lot of money). What occurred to me, is that I did win a nice amount of money at the start in a 2days event too, looking back on it, I clearly see the manipulation of it, just like in the win a ticket scam, one of the times I've tried 3 times to win a ticket through a shootout where 16 players start with 500chips and each time I ended up closer to the ticket. Usually I was just a sponsor in rebuy tourneys (a player said that when he thought I was gone after being kicked out without a ticket ofcourse), from the 12 tickets I did win, a few were paid already through the many rebuys and some at least half of the entry prize, I felt cheated many times, especially because every entrance with a ticket, I was out really soon (within two to twenty pots, most other ticketplayers finished before reaching the money too), but never got a real chance to build a big stack because of mostly shithands and no match with any playable hand. Did see best match with donkhands like 2 and 8o that I folded though, happened often, that's why I played those too when my stack could afford it but as usual no match of course (only when I folded them). Same counts for gambling for a straight/flush, opponent got them all the time which made me lose big time (broke my stack) or kicked me out of the tourney, if I tried the same, 9 out of 10 times no straight/flush and same counts for getting best match on turn or river, opponents get it all the time, I usually get shit.
Could be that I am bad at playing poker, pokerstars made me feel like I truly am a bad pokerplayer many times, almost brainwashed me with their mindfuck, but then I wouldn't be able to win any tourney, would I? Well, once in awhile I do, at least did, but always cheap tourneys, the 6+ for instance where first prize is around $20,00 and several tickets (2 days in a row ended up first place so not let's say 50 tickets all 50 players first place, I was really flabbergasted because usually when I won peanuts in any other tourney, I wouldn't get itm anymore for quite awhile. Once (a few months ago) I also ended up third place in the $7,50 tourney (that daily starts around 23.15cet), don't ask me how because my way of play is solid, whenever I win, I just get best match after best match, it takes no effort at all.
Another thing that stroke me (eversince I started to find out what I am doing wrong or should change in my way of play), is that players from the same countries usually win the big(ger) tourneys, Brazil and Russia mostly, several people replied that it's because those are the biggest countries so most players at pokerstars, that they play the most hands (I do too so can't be a reason), after I said that in chat, suddenly other countries ended up first place, several times even dutch players (I often missed them at ft so I started marking them with a colour), it might be coincidence but I know that pokerstars do follow chats, as a coworker said himself last night at ft when a player asked him if he follows his great play at his table, he most probably was just joking but I'm sure the co worker was not. Their own pokerstarspro L. Veldhuis won (during the Bounty Builder Series) peanuts too btw while another (Dutch) player won in one night (in 6 tourneys) around $30k, cashed one time big by winning a tourney but won money in all 6 tourneys he was playing in (even if it was just bounty money), I saw him cashing a lot, winning tickets too, before that day and after too. I have played multiple tourneys too at the same time but never ever cashed in several of them and how the heck is it possible that even a (their own) pokerpro loses so many times, is pokerstars trying to prove that their system is honest, that dealed hands are random, because his play is as bad 😉 as mine, how the heck is it possible that I am not a pokerpro (because I would love to play poker (in big tourneys) all day!
1 time saw a poor player winning a (big event) tourney that was (according to someone that watched him play) life changing for him, first prize was around $100k, that person told me that the winners biggest win ever before, was $130,00, it gave me hope but eversince, (I check it and) it looks like only wealthy players end up at ft and/or win big tourneys, the way they chat on ft, tells me that it's nice to win such tourneys but just more as in just for fun than lifechanging and that a player with an average income, rarely can even enter a $215,00, $530,00 or even $2.100,00 tourney (2 or 3 times). I know that they all are not billionares (because such people usually are too busy counting their money so don't play poker) but they do have a real nice amount of money in their bankaccount, otherwise they would be too excited too just chitchat as if ending up 9, 8 or 7th place would make no real difference, of course they want to end up first place, but has more to do with their ego, wanting to be (seen as) the best instead of being able to realize things that one never thought would be able too.
Playing poker is easy, especially because as a kid I've played yahtzee really a lot, when flop hits the board, I don't have to think or look what (chance) I have that is written on the screen, I immediately know what I need and about how many outs I have, when I need runner runner, I usually fold whenever an opponent bets/raises too much, I hardly ever put my stack at stake, only when I've been fighting against all odds for too long already so when it's clear that I would bleed to death if I don't play at all because of getting too many shithands and everytime I'm out immediately which doesn't surprise me at all because obviously it was meant that way. After the first 10 hands in any tourney, I know if I stand a chance to reach at least itm. Bluffing does work and can make a (big) change but never ever is enough to reach itm or even win a tourney (especially because of so many donkplayers in any tournament, even in the expensive ones and especially during events), only enough best matches can make it possible.
At pokerstars it's not about being lucky because the system deals randomly (as if owners of pokerstars don't have any influence), at pokerstars it's all about being 'lucky' that a player is not put on a loserlist, that's the only reason of not being allowed to change pokername (or just once when using a real name), players change tables often or when for awhile on the same table, other players come and go all the time, so pokerstars reason to forbid changing pokernames because it wouldn't be honest considering that players start knowing eachothers way of play, is bs too because players hardly get a chance to really know the way their opponents play, too many players, too often changing tables/seats. Only thing that players do recognize, is playersnames when they play/win often but nobody knows how they do it, they're just lucky they say. Whenever I started chatting with another player about pokerstars being rigged, suddenly tables change or other player gets moved too btw, also I saw the opponent that agrees with me, suddenly start having bad luck while before he was doing alright or even already builded a quite big stack, always felt sorry for the player/even regretted that I started talking about it, but that's prove too (at least for me because it happened almost everytime so is too often to be a coincidence).
I could add more but think it's a lot already (for now) so I won't but I do add my emailadres because I think it's easier to reply to than at this website (which I think is a wonderful one because it gives anyone a chance to say what they think about pokerstars). If it's not allowed to share emailadresses, I think it's a shame and weird, but in that case, take it out and post the story as told without emailadress, thank you!
Don't know if rigged is correct. With no concrete proof, only observation, it seems to me Poker Starts is definitely invested in putting a lot of big hands together so as to increase pot size. I also see what looks like an over abundance of big hands(4 of a kind, etc.). See a lot of players sticking and hitting the river but could be attributed to PS is free, doesn't actually cost anything to go all in,
I am playing for about 1,5 year at pokerstars now andI think they've put me on a black list or so because (in chat I say that pokerstars is rigged as hell, that they are thieves and even told them that they must be criminal through mail so) lately I even can't win a ticket anymore because I mostly get just shit(matches) and bad beats. AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK,AQ and smaller pairs, 9 out of 10 times, get beaten by shithands (usually played by russian or brazillian players). At the same time I see same players win tickets and real nice prizes at tourneys while if I get itm, again and again I win just peanuts (considering amount of money that I've already spend there), from the once in awhile's that I get itm, I usually am kicked out before the next stage of winning a few dollars more.
I keep playing there only to add prove to already thousands of screenshots I already have and emails too because I think that we should really expose that huge criminal organisation! Are there more people that want to do what's right? Somebody got to expose them and the more people (with or without prove), the easier it will be to prove that Pokerstars is a huge scam!!
People that want to help (with ideas and/or prove) to expose Pokerstars, are very welcome to react to this post. Thank you!
There´s a big mistake in this article, this one:
"The revenues that PokerStars earns is based on the total pot no matter who wins it"
That's not true, pokerstars earns money from every buy-in through a fee.
So, the main interest for pokerstars is:
1)to have as much people as posible playing on the platform
2)to speed up games
To have as much people as possible, pokerstars needs to balance wins/losses between players, this means that even donks have to win because if they never win they will leave the platform.
So, instead of having 1 good player winning 1000usd and a donk losing 1000usd, they prefer to have 2 players in the same situation.
To increase earnings, they also need to speed up the game, because if you play 2 sit&go in 1 hour instead of 1 sit&go, they will make the doublé of money through your fee.
That's why, for example, 6 people tables sit&go always last about 1 hour, so strange that the game never allow it to last 2 or 3 hours right?
PS also use the "maximum bet opportunity" strategy, it's very easy to give hands that will end in all-in and fast eliminations of players.
The supposed random is a contradiction itself, as result of a mathematial process, it will never be a real random, and, most important, is very easy (for them) to control it.
So, for all the people who says "there's no reason for PS to rig the game" well, they have a lot of reasons to do that, but mainly is just one: money
PS is clearly rigged and there's no doubt about it.
Im on a two day run of about 25 bad beats in a row. Im talking AA or KK beat by 33, J3 suited etc. Runner runner constantly. I understand bad beats happen, but this site is 100% fraudulent. Ive been playing online poker for 13 years, and ive never seen a site where bad beats are beyond common. Constant 4 card flush and 4 card straight boards. Fish constantly rewarded, worst hand wins about 85% of the time. You see 4 all ins AA, KK, AK and Q7 and the Q7 wins about 9 out of 10. This site is a joke.
I once made the mistake of e-mailing PS to question their claim of random dealing. They wrote back and said I must never contact them again about this. (Sounded like they are well aware of their evil methods.) Ever since then I easily determined that I was placed on a 'guaranteed loser' computer list. No matter what my cards are, or what style I play, I lose 95% of the hands & games. The board cards are so unrandom as to be ridiculous. Four and five card straights & flushes, sets & quads. Of course nothing in my hand is helped by the board. I just gave up, watching my opponents (mostly the Russians) hit every hand. You can't beat a game when the dealer has their thumb on the scale.
(One example - I am dealt 7-2 offsuit as many as 5 times in a single game, and no less than twice in every game I've ever played. Mostly in the big blind. I kept track of this for a while but stopped when it was obvious.)
total scam site , and anyone that thinks they do not benefit from shafting players is wrong , simply put , more games per day equals more rake earned by the company also they use bots to increase their revenue , even Daniel negranue left the site , try and you'll see .. river river river , absolute joke site , save your money and time ..
Is it coincide that two of the people who were involved with Poker stars as directors/advisors are now on the board of directors at LottoGo,based in the isle of man under Annexio. Another site that is heavily critized.
Yes yes yes .... its rigged!! all electronic gambling using rng or algorithms to achieve an outcome is rigged in the programming/ coding gambling is about luck and skill unfortunately both can be programmed against people needbto realise computers programmes can only do what people programme them what to do so if they want to select lucky or bad players they can easily mark accounts simple token process , you can put in programs to help new/fish/bad players , you can write programs to fix cards -action flops etc , you can write a program to ensure profit in a set time for the house basically you can do anything within the boundaries of coding any fail safe you like .... seriously no one is governing this factor its classed about the randomness but how random is it ?? Only as random as the programmer wrote the code meaning it could be random but only within a range and certain factors could change the outcome ie to make it random- but really in the inner workings of the rng its not so stay away from any electronic gambling us its for fun and dont expect to make money they are rigged they are there to make money and only have to make basic requirements for local gambling laws ie why most are off shore
In short the house always wins overall mainly because people cnt stop and they want to win money and I don't blame them we live in a materialistic world and most gambling involves someone,something else or luck really to win (football,horse,dogs,roulette etc) but poker is about skill as well as luck but when your dealing with a computer programme to basically deliver you a fair outcome you dont have a chance and im sure ive read before pokerstar programme doesn't even have the full amount of possible outcomes in the coding
And finally pokerstars needs money,it needs players adding real cash (it not about rakes -thats just its running money) it need outside cash coming in all the time so really it wants losers and not winners
So losing steaks can be programmed almost everything you do can be tracked and manipulated by computer programs on pokerstars so seeing all these actually poker players complain and seeing it myself (and i played real poker for 25+ year , 8 yrs online on n off for fun - due to it being rigged) it just confirms more and more that its a con and new players are set to win some ,feel the buzz then lose and deposit but there winning comes at a cost to regular players and they are forced to deposit
If the newbies got smash straight away they wouldn't come back or make more deposits thats a fact
We have two side it can and look like this site is rigged
1. The actual games and outcomes are rigged in a way to class as random and in such a way it passes as legitimate gameplay (god knows where)
2. Players accounts are manipulated by skill level ,behaviours,bankroll,playing time
All can have computer programmes deciding predictions and outcomes in favour or against (again if you didnt understand anything can be programmed the code just doesn't make itself someone has to sit there and type it in ,they can add anything even make it undetectable)
Im not an upset player from bad beats yeh ive had them but im good player i lost more on the casino than the poker table i usually make final tables
Just stay away from adding any big money and play for fun
Ive lost money the hard way dont do the same!!
Electronic gambling is a complete fraud
Oh and i have a degree in computing and can write code and know whats possible and you speak of Russians yeh they probably know the computer programming coding and id say pokerstars has bots anyway playing to boost player numbers (and i guess as long as they dont win money they probably legal - i dont know about really that just wouldn't put it past them its possible)
Just dont deposit if you can and play for fun its not a legitimate site and thats the truth
What to expect on PS one might wonder ? You see all these pros endorsing their business and you think it's the perfect place to make millions online. So you join their site, thinking that is legit and truly, but truly random, after all, this must be a legit business, one may think.
For starters, there are two types of players : The fish and the shark. As it's a zero-sum game, there are no in-betweens, one gains what others loose. By fish we define a player who plays chaotic in various situations, mostly showing with less than 40% chances of winning the hand at showdown. By shark we define a player who simply has the fold button in right situations and is not afraid to push his equity all in with small pairs, or make great calls at times (with middle/bottom pair).
NOTE: All sharks do fishy plays from time to time ! Especially online . Since it's 2019 already, it's about 'balancing' your fishing range in position and whatnot. *enough high-end disclosures for now*
So one deposits 10 or 20 or 50 or whatever amount of money they afford to invest at that time. (If you were to run PS and have 100 users joining today, which side of variance would you send them to ?)
Depending on your initial investment, you'll see your bankroll growing quickly during your first sessions.Let's say you double your roll in a matter of days. It gets to the point you start to feel confident about yourself so you decide to play more.But then, all of a sudden, you lose your initial deposit and think it must be the fact that you're still..inexperienced at the game itself. So you deposit again,...and again,...and again to a point where you stop your losses and you become a somewhat more advanced player( simply by playing more and accumulating experience)
This is what happens to every single amateur playing online at Pokerstars. And there's Luck. One gambler can say his gambling career was a success if good luck overpasses bad luck in the long run of his life.
Then we have the sharks, people that know what they're doing in general and have specific tactics for multiple situations.
So we have the fishes and the sharks all set-up in a gambling online environment. In an online business environment. The word business is key here because businesses tend to maximize profits while diminishing costs.
The word business is described as a settle between two or more parts, in which everyone takes a fair share. So for pokerstars to be a successful company, it needs their clients to make money.
Poker is a niche area, in which 80-90% of players are losing and only the few remaining are winning. And that's why is the perfect scene for online businesses to try and maximize their profits.
Let's take cash games out of the question, since the reason why one would rig/manipulate it is easy to spot. (MORE RAKE IS ACTUALLY BETTER IN 2019, so they say)
Let's only speak about MTTs. It's curios how low-stakes tourneys take so little time to get to the last 50 people out of 4/6/8 Thousands!. One may think it's natural but if one could see all the busting hands from a single tournament, then it will become obvious to see the shady patterns going on.
We all know the probability of a fish beating the shark but what happens when the shark meets another shark ?? This is where things get interesting, because we're talking about 2 solid players going after each other. You might not even be a shark yourself, just playing tight for a couple of orbits, then you see all these high pairs being dealt. At the exact same time.
You're sitting with red Queens,a Q and a Q, one shoves in front of you with Jacks, which causes excitement as you see an opportunity and the big blind wakes up behind with pocket Kings.
You as a shark feel excited at first, then completely disgusted to see the scenario for your Queens.
It really doesn't matter what the flop may come, it's absurd and utterly ridiculous to bait players out like this. It can happen from time to time, sure, but on pokerstars it happens way too often. Even if your red Queens do get there vs JJ and KK, you feel miserable for being in a bad spot in the first place !
But don't worry, you won't get the opportunity to feel "miserable" on sucking out some random dude because you won't get there.
In 2019, people on pokerstars are playing the software, not their cards nor the player. You often see rags at showdown shoving from UTG and guess what, the timing was right ! their 83 held against your AK! their J9o cracked your pair of tens ! Sure, the best hand doesn't win all the time, but this happens hours in after the tourney started. We have players that are playing the software somehow knowing what kind of cards are coming .
You all may be familiarized with the concept of so called Random Neuropshycotic Generator. No program which is made by man and uses algorhythms to create randomness can be truly random.
On pokerstars, sth + sth creates randomness. That 2nd something is called user input. Pokerstars officials state that these inputs CAN and WILL change the turn and river cards.
Let me translate this for your: It's like you make a bad play shoving Ace Six from Utg BUUUUT if you press your mousewheel SKILLFUL enough, you will beat the Kings that called you. I mean cmon this is outrageous.
Let's play live poker and whoever snorts the most cocaine after the flop is dealt, will get access to turn and river magic cards. Back when i learned the basics of poker, i didn't know there is a trick i could to with my mouse to improve my statistical chances of winning a hand.
So what may one understand after reading a long and unbiased review?
Well you could definitely understand that it is rigged against you. Either you're a shark or a complete amateur. It's rigged to create the illusion that you can win, at first, then it bounces right back to reality, only to care about your depositing profile. If the sharks won most of the money, then the money would be drawn from the site, which would cause a decrease in rake-generating process across site.
It is designed to reward bad plays and bad players. That's why consistent winning players struggle to get to a single final table in MTTs.
I like to think at it as a psychological warfare. The software is designed to encourage bad plays and if you miss your spot with a marginal hand, you're pretty much fucked the rest of the tourney. Software detects you are not being aggro enough and adapts to your playstyle. Couple of hands later you are dealt red Queens as in the situation described before. And yet, is the human greed which brings us back to their tables, thinking something has dramatically changed and good decision will pay in the long run.
Well some things did change and apparently, in 2019, MORE RAKE IS BETTER. Yeah i get it, but better for who ? Better for the players that are still loosers but have a somewhat smaller loss, better for the players who were struggling to get out of break-even runbad or for that one almight who has already crushed the games and now is crushing even harder ?
Be smart, don't try to be greedier than pokerstars, cause if you do so, they'll outsmart you in the end with their so called Random Carrots Shoving Up your Ass.
Don't waste your life chasing 1-2-3k a month on this greasy algorhythm, it will get you in the end.
Unless you like being bend-over, stay away ! Show this message to others and let them know what to expect !
1-I've read about a reccurent fact: new players (who put their money for the first time on the site) would win their first tournament, or players who make a long pause (several months) would win a tournament when they come back. I confirm that point, that's what has happened to me, first time and everytime I came back to the site.
2-Other thing: I played blackjack on their casino. What happened to me was possible, just as possible as me winning the lottery (that's why I do have doubts). I played with the following strategy: 1€ each bet. If I win I bet 1€, if I lose I bet 2€, if I lose again, I bet the double again: 4€, etc. That strategy makes you win 1€ each time (when you win and when you win after X losses): +1€ or -1+2 or -1-2+4 etc. You play like this in a casino, you´re forbidden for life. So it worked after hundred of hands, even thousands. However, at no point, would I have more than 4 wins in a row. But 20 losses in a row, yes, and that happened 3 times. It's mathematiclly possible, however extremely rare. My opinion was ok, they have a formula on this to make the player lose. I got back to my poker, and from that very date I keep losing, lower hands keep beating me. Possible colors against me always (100%) get the color at the river. Straight the same. The other player makes a stupid call on the flop, he gets his cards on the turn+river. If I win a difficult hand, the very next one (AA vs 82)will kill me. I cannot win a hand like I used to for more than 15 years! I used to have a slow increasing winning curve, but since the blackjack thing, forget it. I guess the site has an interest on this: 100% profit on the casino vs 6% on the poker. As soon as they see you losing some money on the casino, they make you lose the poker everyday thinking the guy is going to go back right away on the casino to lose more.
3-I keep seeing the following: SB (chip leader or almost) BB (very few chips left), only those two are going, well, no matter what the BB does: just call, raise, all in, he gets top pair on the flop and loses vs double pair on the flop.
I can't speak for the real money part of the Poker Stars but I can on the play money part. I have been playing here for over two years now and I have kept logs. Going for over 372 blinds without a pair doesn't even happen in live poker. I have had this happen several times over the two years with the longest streak at just over 387 hands and the average at over 200 plus. Also getting beat on the river over one to two dozen times in a row on several occasions and three times by the same player. This mainly happens on Zoom poker but has also happened on KO tournaments and in regular tournaments. I know this is a play money site but the odds of these things happening this many times in a row has to be astronomical. When you have pocket aces and are all in and someone calls with J 8 off suit and hits a full house on the river on you its a bad beat. If the same player does this to you on several hands in an hour then I say that the player in question has to be a bot or part of the Poker Stars site. Would like to know if others have dealt with the same issues.
I have four people in my family right here in my home that play on pokerstars. I had almost three million in chips and my husband had almost six million is his and my daughters has far less but my husband I both buy ships. We were logging in each day and topping of our chips and each time we did we checked to see how much we had in play chips. Then one day we logged as usual and all four of us had way less then we had the day before. I only had a million and something left and my husband had around three hundred thousand left it all and each of my daughters had a lot less as well. When we wrote them about it they said the chips were put in our accounts by mistake which is a lie. We use to like playing poker there but not anymore. Now they will not answer at all when we email them. What can we do?
100% theifs and scammers...everyone knows and see’s all the scammingg poker stars does over and over
1) favours chip leaders
2) favours sponsered pros
3) sets up big hands against big hands
4) bad beats and sickest beats which you never see on other sites or pive
5) ignores emails
6) no phone number
7) usa frauds and full tilt theft
8) steals money from accounts and uses for own personal benefits
9) once you withdraw gives you more sicm beats after sicks beats
10) having there licenses of shore
Sooo much more...this site is day light robberry us fools keep giving them money for free and they have got us right where they want us...they know we all want to win money...win big...have emotions and tilt ...one day they will be caught and i really cant wait!!!
Why is the goverment not doing anything? Why are they getting away with such oubvious fraud
How are they fooling soooo many millions of people
Yes, pokerstars is a scam!
Now they also display games in the wrong area, to trick you to spend more $ than you want. I selected I only want to play free or micro buy-in games, an they display expensive games mixed in there, with the same name as free games, written in the area of the free games, with the same color, same font, same size. You'd never know it's not free!! They charged me a fortune for a stupid game I thought was free 'cause I selected I wanted to play ONLY free and micro buy-in games!!! That's bad faith! That's a scam!
I've noticed within the passed, 2 months, a dramatic change in flop/board variance in general.
I realized that I had just witnessed the 4th flop in a row where all three community cards were the same suit. I thought to myself...how the fu.....?
I play live NLHE twice a week as I have for nearly a decade. It is very rare that you see 3 of the same suit come down on the flop. Does it happen? Sure. But 4x in tournament, no, let alone 4x in a row?
Then I noticed another strange occurrence. It seemed like I saw a paired board on every other hand. Again not an impossible thing to see but not a regular occurrence either, by any stretch.
Then I kept noticing those two variances were happening constantly, during every tournament I was playing. It got so bad that I started logging how often I saw the, "flush flop", (as I've been calling them), and the "paired board" as well. Over the course of a 66 hand MTT 43 of those hands were either a "flush flop" (flop consisting of 3 cards all of the same suit) or a "paired board" (a pair of any of the cards occurs through either the flop, turn or river). That's almost exactly two thirds of the hands dealt. 25 of those hands were "paired boards" and 18 were "flush flops".
If you've noticed similar activity. You're not crazy. PS is engineering hands for action.
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